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rapsuperstar31 said:

Congress can stop him at any time if they want, the president doesn't have the power to put in his own tariffs without the House and Senate even with his emergency order.  There was a lawsuit filed the other day, that hopefully Trumps appointed judges actually follow the constitution and don't bow to their king.

President Trump was sued Thursday over the 20 percent tariffs he imposed on Chinese goods in the weeks leading up to Wednesday’s broader announcement.

It marks the first known legal challenge against Trump’s tariffs, which have fulfilled a campaign promise and rattled financial markets.

The lawsuit contests Trump’s use of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA), arguing the law authorizes asset freezes and similar economic sanctions, but not tariffs. 

“Congress passed the IEEPA to counter external emergencies, not to grant presidents a blank check to write domestic economic policy,” the lawsuit states. 

The suit was brought by the New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA), a conservative legal advocacy group, on behalf of Simplified, a Florida-based small business that sells planners and purchases products from China. 

Filed in federal court in Pensacola, Fla., the suit asks a judge to declare Trump’s Chinese tariffs unlawful and block their implementation.

Laws and constitutions are just pieces of paper unless someone actually enforces them, and right now Trump is testing the limits of what he can get away with.

As it turns out, the morons governing America include the rest of the yellow-bellied spineless jellyfish and coattail-riding grifters in the Republican Party who are either too cowardly to challenge Trump or otherwise think they'll stand to gain by remaining in his good graces. The GOP are the ones in charge of Congress and the Supreme Court, and they could stop this anytime they wanted. Not just the trade wars, but other BS like turning America into a pariah state by picking fights with our allies (including threats of irredentist conquest), or taking a hatchet to the entire government with no concern for the consequences, or just general executive overreach as well. That they choose not to is an indictment of their moral bankruptcy and cowardice.

In the meanwhile, the rest of us will pay the price, literally, in higher prices for everything from necessities like groceries to fun luxuries like video games. Of course, if you're a billionaire that's no skin off your back. If you're wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice you can afford that shit, so why should you care if the plebs have to struggle, right? When Muskrat said we'd all need to face hardship, he sure as shit wasn't talking about himself.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Bandorr said:

I think it was 46% Tariff on Vietnam right?
So from $450 to what.. $650? and $120 games?

Nintendo is never selling Switch 2 for 650, nobody but their more dedicates fans will buy. 

More likely they will sell it for the same profit range of Switch 2 in Japan (it's ~340 USD there), but slightly over for some operational costs that should be bigger in USA. So maybe they will sell for 380 USD, and expect Americans to pay 550 USD

Or they will move their manufacturing for another country with lower tarrifs, but this of course can't be done overnight. It will take months, maybe years 

The thing with the tariffs is that it only matters at the time of import.

So Nintendo can keep manufacturing the Switch 2.0 at it's currently locations and just move the point of "assembly" to a low-tariff region before going through the import process.

This can actually happen very rapidly... And consequently the assembly process can be done in multiple locations at once.

Soundwave said:

That's one of the downsides of Nintendo waiting so long to bring this out, they walked right into this tarrif window in the US.

People in Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan, etc. should be good to pre-order though.

My Pre-order was already locked in for Australia at $699 AUD, which is $427 USD. - Tariffs should only impact US customers.

Random_Matt said:

No doubt upscaling tech will be heavily focused on now; Sony/MS should be smart and target cheaper tech and prioritise using FSR4 or whatever.

It was always the trend going forward.

Unfortunately the Playstation 5, Xbox Series S and X lack the necessary hardware blocks to run FSR4 competently, AMD is behind nVidia (That the Switch 2 uses) when it comes to upscaling like DLSS.

Next gen, it will be front and center as it's now AMD's primary focus going foward, alongside RT.



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I've heard Nintendo sits in a pile of money due to Wii+DS and now Switch's sucess. That they had money to survive 2 or more Wii Us. If that's true, wouldn't it be better if they stick with Switch 2's current price and simply take the hits of these tariffs using that money I mentioned? If they rise up Switch 2's price even more, the Nintendo brand could be damaged to a no return point (it has been damaged already with the games' price polemic)

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Pemalite said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Nintendo is never selling Switch 2 for 650, nobody but their more dedicates fans will buy. 

More likely they will sell it for the same profit range of Switch 2 in Japan (it's ~340 USD there), but slightly over for some operational costs that should be bigger in USA. So maybe they will sell for 380 USD, and expect Americans to pay 550 USD

Or they will move their manufacturing for another country with lower tarrifs, but this of course can't be done overnight. It will take months, maybe years 

The thing with the tariffs is that it only matters at the time of import.

So Nintendo can keep manufacturing the Switch 2.0 at it's currently locations and just move the point of "assembly" to a low-tariff region before going through the import process.

This can actually happen very rapidly... And consequently the assembly process can be done in multiple locations at once.

That is probably not the case.

I work in international tax, albeit not with tariffs. There are plenty of regulations that are intended to prevent using a certain country as a conduit to secure a more favorable tax rate or to shift income. I would be incredibly surprised if the tariffs did not have some similar feature. 



CourageTCD said:

I've heard Nintendo sits in a pile of money due to Wii+DS and now Switch's sucess. That they had money to survive 2 or more Wii Us. If that's true, wouldn't it be better if they stick with Switch 2's current price and simply take the hits of these tariffs using that money I mentioned? If they rise up Switch 2's price even more, the Nintendo brand could be damaged to a no return point (it has been damaged already with the games' price polemic)

I think they should take the hit if the tariffs aren't reduced much or at all. The United States is the largest market for Nintendo. An expensive Switch 2 could very much hurt Switch 2 in the USA and possibly forever. 

Be that as it may, this is one of the few times where Nintendo is justified in raising prices. 



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JWeinCom said:
Pemalite said:

The thing with the tariffs is that it only matters at the time of import.

So Nintendo can keep manufacturing the Switch 2.0 at it's currently locations and just move the point of "assembly" to a low-tariff region before going through the import process.

This can actually happen very rapidly... And consequently the assembly process can be done in multiple locations at once.

That is probably not the case.

I work in international tax, albeit not with tariffs. There are plenty of regulations that are intended to prevent using a certain country as a conduit to secure a more favorable tax rate or to shift income. I would be incredibly surprised if the tariffs did not have some similar feature. 

Nah. It's definitely the case.
It's why there has been a shift to countries like Vietnam and Mexico to start with in trying to avoid the old tariffs from the last time they were in power.
The components were still manufactured in certain areas, but point of assembly was moved.

In saying that... The Republican party has shown they are incompetent at managing the Tariffs anyway, applying Tariffs to countries/islands with zero inhabitants.
...And even applied Tariffs to countries they have zero trade with.



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CourageTCD said:

I've heard Nintendo sits in a pile of money due to Wii+DS and now Switch's sucess. That they had money to survive 2 or more Wii Us. If that's true, wouldn't it be better if they stick with Switch 2's current price and simply take the hits of these tariffs using that money I mentioned? If they rise up Switch 2's price even more, the Nintendo brand could be damaged to a no return point (it has been damaged already with the games' price polemic)

20million Switch 2 sold over its lifetime in the US... lets say.
At say a 100$ loss due to these Tariffs... that's $2bn USD, right (rough math, 2 and 6 zeroes times 100...)? I suck at math.

Yes Nintendo could afford to toss 2bn out the window or set it on fire.
However that's alot of money. I agree it might be something doable though, and potentially if the US buys enough games it works out fine in the end. It would still mean their profits overall for this gen, with the Switch 2 would be effected.



Oh boy. I guess there was zero chance this thread wouldn't turn into politics lol. I'd prefer all the X is the saviour of mankind/blithering idiot and X party are the devil/best posts to try to be kept to a political thread, even if it is closely related to this topic. I'd rather this thread not turn into a right Vs left war lol.

I have politics threads hidden but I'd assume someone has already made a thread where discussion focused on the politics would be better suited.

The tariffs are ontopic but angry rants about general politics are not.

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There's a good chance Nintendo could be completely unaffected by tariffs and still choose to increase the price, just to squeeze more out of early adopters. It would be blatant corporate profiteering, but people are so obssessed with politics as long as Nintendo vaguely allude to Trump they can probably get away with it.

They might enjoy the irony of not being blamed for a move that is actually excessively greedy.



Shaunodon said:

There's a good chance Nintendo could be completely unaffected by tariffs and still choose to increase the price, just to squeeze more out of early adopters. It would be blatant corporate profiteering, but people are so obssessed with politics as long as Nintendo vaguely allude to Trump they can probably get away with it.

They might enjoy the irony of not being blamed for a move that is actually excessively greedy.

Oh boi, such exceeding greed ... 

But no, the reasoning is clearly on display, doesn't matter if it pleases you or not. Tariffs from the orange man are there and they decided to assess the situation to likely not result the selling of hardware into a financial loss(or at least limit it).

Also what is the chance of being unaffected by tariffs you speak of here ? 

There is no ambiguity or orange man acting as a bogeyman situation here to justify a raise in price. This is litteraly happening right now. 



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