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Is the Switch 2 in troubles?

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RolStoppable said:
HoloDust said:

Checked up on what Sean Malstrom thinks - I don't think he was ever wrong about Nintendo ever since he predicted Wii's success back in days.

He is quite negative about Switch 2.

Haven't checked his blog in a while because he turned very bipolar. He's been negative about the Switch successor since a few years, talking about how there will be no physical games anymore and other erratic claims. He also constantly claimed that he is done buying Switch games and now several years later he posts that he owns 500+ physical games. The point is that he has been swinging from one extreme to the other on a regular basis, so a lot of his blog posts are more about ranting than an actual analysis.

About Switch 2 he says it's going to be a dark age for Nintendo, the prices are way too high, but at the same time the big Nintendo games are going to be fine. And of course he picks to respond e-mails that reinforce the negativity.

But let's step back for a moment to look at the big picture. Virtually all the current outrage concerns prices. People don't criticize the concept of the console, nor its games, nor its specs, nor its foreseeable release schedule, there's hardly anything about the battery life which falls always in the same range as the original Switch's (2 to 6.5 hours now vs. 2.5 to 6 hours back then). Prices are getting hit hard, but at the same time they are the easiest thing to fix. We don't have an ideal situation that will make Switch 2 an unquestionable immediate and lasting success, but we aren't far off.

As far as a dark age is concerned, it implies that Nintendo's business will operate at around the break-even point or even at a loss. Yeah... no. This is so much hyperbole that I can't even be bothered to take this serious.

It's true that Malstrom's track record for predicting success or failure for Nintendo hardware has been clean ever since he has shown up. But at the same time his track record for competent analyses of smaller things has become very erratic, often devolving to the level of "old man yells at cloud." He hasn't had to predict success or failure for Nintendo hardware since eight years ago. Does he still have it? Maybe, but one thing is for sure: His overall body of work has regressed a lot over the course of the Switch generation. He used to be able to provide perspectives on a myriad of game-related topics that hardly anyone else could offer, but over time his blog devolved more and more into frustrated rants and plain trolling, like his recurring claim that Switch is a handheld and all of Nintendo's games are handheld games that they are charging home console prices for. Which raises the question: If Nintendo has pulled it off to make people pay $60 for games that were previously $40, then why should it now be a problem for Nintendo to make people pay $70-80 for games that were previously $60? That's the bipolarity of today's Malstrom.

Yeah, he has become somewhat...erratic. But he tends to be spot on with most things Nintendo. We'll see.



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People are freaking out about software prices but as far as I understood Mario Kart World will be the only brand new game costing 80$. All the others (Mario Party Jamboree, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, and Tears of the Kingdom) are Switch 1 games that a lot of people had already played and are just getting small additions and visual improvments. Also, all these visual improvments will be for free if have the Switch 1 version of them and sign NSO, which most of people sign either way. Aside from these 80$ games, all the other will cost 70$ which is the new standard already in the game industry



TheMisterManGuy said:

In light of recent news about Nintendo Switch 2 pricing, I'd like to remind everybody about the prices for the original Nintendo Switch that everybody complained about when it was revealed.

$299.99 for a console, no pack-in game
$59.99 for games, with the designated tech-demo game costing $49.99
$79.99 for pair of Joy-Con, $49.99 ala-carte
$69.99 for a Pro Controller

I distinctly remember everybody b****ing about these prices when they were first announced, before everybody got over it once we saw the system and games more. I'm not defending some of the Switch 2 price decisions (Mario Kart and the Welcome Tour specifically) but people should remember this next time they complain about console prices.

Because Nvidia practically gave Nintendo a ton of chips they had left over and couldn't sell for free (at break even point).
Switch 1, shouldn't have launched at 299$.
That was Nintendo being greedy for 50-100$ profit margins on hardware console sales.

I think the Switch 2, selling in Japan for 335$ shows, that they can sell it at that amount and not lose money on sales.
So why is it 450$ in rest of the world? Greed. Nintendo arn't happy just selling their hardware and not loseing money on each sale.
They want to make profits selling the console as well.

Nintendo MILK their costumers more than Xbox or Playstation does.
Nintendo games skimp on alot of stuff, that the others can't.
Text bubbles (no voice acting), not going for realistic graphics which is much easier and cheaper to develope ect.
And it still wants 80-90$ pr game now?  F*** off.

This is too much imo.

*IF* Nintendo wasn't as greedy as it is, I bet they could have had a 200million console seller in the 1st switch.

And Honestly these prices could hurt them, they are high enough I'm not sure it'll repeat the 1st switch's success (ei. pass 140m)

*edit:

Switch 2 is able to play Switch 1 games.
So you think, great, its more powerfull maybe it can run them at more consistant fps, or resolutions? or there is some patch you download and it runs better! right?
Yeaah.... guess what? You pay for that.  Upgrade Packs are what they call them (ei. small patches for games, that others would give out for free).

Even the tutorial game (mini game) that teaches you about the tech, in the Switch 2, and how its used.... costs money.
Remember when Astrabot was this small mini game that was free? a tiny game like that, on the Switch 2, will cost money.
Its like selling a product, and then going "if you want the manual on how to use this thing, that'll be 20$ more". 

I seriously think Nintendo has lost the plot.... this is too much.
I hope they walk back the prices on games atleast.

*edit 2:

Imagine if Playstation 5, started asking for people to pay to play PS5 games, on the Pro at higher settings/resolutions?
This is basically what Nintendo is doing with these "upgrade packs".   Imagine the hate, they would get. Nintendo does it, nothing said by anyone?

Pay to chat online with your friends, too... like what?

feels like a "Aggrogant Sony PS3 moment" Nintendo version.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 03 April 2025

The thread title is giving me deja vu over the Switch 1.

Anyway, I don't think the Switch 2 is in trouble. I think it will do fine despite the increase in game prices.



JRPGfan said:
TheMisterManGuy said:

In light of recent news about Nintendo Switch 2 pricing, I'd like to remind everybody about the prices for the original Nintendo Switch that everybody complained about when it was revealed.

$299.99 for a console, no pack-in game
$59.99 for games, with the designated tech-demo game costing $49.99
$79.99 for pair of Joy-Con, $49.99 ala-carte
$69.99 for a Pro Controller

I distinctly remember everybody b****ing about these prices when they were first announced, before everybody got over it once we saw the system and games more. I'm not defending some of the Switch 2 price decisions (Mario Kart and the Welcome Tour specifically) but people should remember this next time they complain about console prices.

Because Nvidia practically gave Nintendo a ton of chips they had left over and couldn't sell for free (at break even point).
Switch 1, shouldn't have launched at 299$.
That was Nintendo being greedy for 50-100$ profit margins on hardware console sales.

I think the Switch 2, selling in Japan for 335$ shows, that they can sell it at that amount and not lose money on sales.
So why is it 450$ in rest of the world? Greed. Nintendo arn't happy just selling their hardware and not loseing money on each sale.
They want to make profits selling the console as well.

Nintendo MILK their costumers more than Xbox or Playstation does.
Nintendo games skimp on alot of stuff, that the others can't.
Text bubbles (no voice acting), not going for realistic graphics which is much easier and cheaper to develope ect.
And it still wants 80-90$ pr game now?  F*** off.

This is too much imo.

*IF* Nintendo wasn't as greedy as it is, I bet they could have had a 200million console seller in the 1st switch.

And Honestly these prices could hurt them, they are high enough I'm not sure it'll repeat the 1st switch's success (ei. pass 140m)

*edit:

Switch 2 is able to play Switch 1 games.
So you think, great, its more powerfull maybe it can run them at more consistant fps, or resolutions? or there is some patch you download and it runs better! right?
Yeaah.... guess what? You pay for that.  Upgrade Packs are what they call them (ei. small patches for games, that others would give out for free).

Even the tutorial game (mini game) that teaches you about the tech, in the Switch 2, and how its used.... costs money.
Remember when Astrabot was this small mini game that was free? a tiny game like that, on the Switch 2, will cost money.
Its like selling a product, and then going "if you want the manual on how to use this thing, that'll be 20$ more". 

I seriously think Nintendo has lost the plot.... this is too much.
I hope they walk back the prices on games atleast.

*edit 2:

Imagine if Playstation 5, started asking for people to pay to play PS5 games, on the Pro at higher settings/resolutions?
This is basically what Nintendo is doing with these "upgrade packs".   Imagine the hate, they would get. Nintendo does it, nothing said by anyone?

Pay to chat online with your friends, too... like what?

Actually, many games are getting free upgrades to their performance on Switch 2. This is the current list of games that will have free performance upgrades and therefore higher framerates at the minimum, if not higher resolutions, so expect many of these to become 1080p/60fps games on Switch 2.

  • ARMS

  • Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker

  • Super Mario Odyssey

  • Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury

  • Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics

  • The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening

  • The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom

  • Game Builder Garage

  • New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe

  • Pokémon Scarlet and Violet

  • Big Brain Academy: Brain vs. Brain

The games that get the 'Switch 2 Edition' are getting more than just a bump in resolution and framerate.  Kirby and Mario Party are getting a significant amount of added content while the big Zelda games are getting the addition of HDR and are getting 4k resolutions.  Prime 4 is getting everything the Zelda are getting plus a 120fps mode, the mouse mode functionality, and will have higher-quality textures than the Switch 1 version.  The Zelda games are the ones that are getting the least, but they're also the ones that will be free for many people.



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The "C" button is for the chat funktion..... which will be free like a while... and then, locked behinde a paywall.

There will be like a promt that goes "oh, you press "C!", would you like to pay? to access this feature?"
Yes or No ?

Like imagine that... a button that does nothing, because its pay to use.
For there will be people out there, playing, who arn't paying, and for them this will be a useless button, that might trigger a annouying pop up promt, if you accidentally press it.

Also...

499$ for Switch 2 bundled with Mario Kart.
Then 90$ for the pro controller, and 60$ for another SDcard, so you have 256 internally and 256 on the card (for a total of 512gb).
Maybe 50$ for the camra? so you can try out the chat function?
And then paying a subscription to use it, and online play.

People need to fork out like 700$ for this.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 03 April 2025

JRPGfan said:

The "C" button is for the chat funktion..... which will be free like a while... and then, locked behinde a paywall.

There will be like a promt that goes "oh, you press "C!", would you like to pay? to access this feature?"
Yes or No ?

Like imagine that... a button that does nothing, because its pay to use.
For there will be people out there, playing, who arn't paying, and for them this will be a useless button, that might trigger a annouying pop up promt, if you accidentally press it.

Also...

499$ for Switch 2 bundled with Mario Kart.
Then 90$ for the pro controller, and 60$ for another SDcard, so you have 256 internally and 256 on the card (for a total of 512gb).
Maybe 50$ for the camra? so you can try out the chat function?
And then paying a subscription to use it, and online play.

People need to fork out like 700$ for this.

So much the same as any other console. Also if you already have a camera it should work with the console. It would be great if prices were lower, but let's not pretend that this isn't the norm with all console manufacturers at the moment.



The chat function works without the camera, the camera is only if you really, really, reeeeeeally need to video chat and voice chat isn't good enough. I personally won't be buying it, system level integration of voice chat with no headset needed is already more than good enough if you want to chat with buddies. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 03 April 2025

I don't think it's in severe trouble like the Wii U, I feel It is going to be a disaster but this can be rectified and they can pull a PS3 maneuver especially when they have so many in on the Switch if they play it right and adjust and the the users are solidly invested in Nintendo now, 129m active users and they have their money maker there already. I think a lot of people are talking a big game about boycotting or skipping to PC but I know these gamers, as soon as a Mario Galaxy 3 or a Fire Emblem with scores of 90+ is released they'll wade through debt to get in. They have the hard-core initially and that's all they need for the time being, just a few might take a bit longer to get on board and with 150m switches I doubt they care, they have shown it with the release schedule. However, in the long run and as the Switch dies down they are definitely screwed, the casuals are not going to follow the hard-core, the kids are not going to get their presents and all around they might not even be able to pull a PS3 cause they have such a vapid user base as they did with the Wii.

This is pretty funny, but I know he's gonna buy a Switch 2. It's just a question of time. 

Last edited by LegitHyperbole - on 03 April 2025

The PS3's $600 launch price is $950 in today's dollars ... give your head a shake if you're comparing a $499.99 Switch 2 that includes Mario Kart World to that.

This is no where close to that, a Switch 2 (w/o Mario Kart) is less than 1/2 the price of a launch PS3 factoring in inflation. 

Software prices were always going to go up, you can't have the median budget be 3-4-5x more than it was 10-15 years ago and expect games to cost the same forever.