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Will Playstation also go 3rd party?

Yes 30 35.71%
 
No 54 64.29%
 
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PotentHerbs said:
xboxgreen said:

Those games charted for a short while except Hell Divers 2 on Steam. The games you see in the link are always at the top. That is why Sony is porting their games to other platforms. They need the money after their recent failures. MLB is a license game so it doesn't make that much money. That is why it is also on Xbox and Switch.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44BPopMPMs

So a random YouTuber is your source? Good to know its unreliable lol. 

Also, you are the one that posted a monthly chart. That was the baseline you established for what's considered popular/most played, and what sells hardware. Can you even access the historical data to your link? And did you just say that MLB doesn't make much money because its a licensed game? Are you serious? 

Licenses are expensive to maintain. Just look at spiderman if you don't believe me. That youtuber is actually quite credible and it isn't the only source. Here is some more data to prove playstation games aren't doing as well as you think.







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Will Sony copy Microsoft?
They already have.
Microsoft porting their old games to PC - Sony did the same.
Microsoft porting games day n date to PC - Sony now is doing that with some games.
Microsoft porting games to other consoles - Sony now is doing the same.

Playstation has become a 3rd party publisher since they started putting games on PC.



shavenferret said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

For Sony, I don't think a walled garden is ideal anymore. Xbox has lost so much momentum that it's impossible for them to compete with PlayStation ever again. You could put every PS game on Xbox now and I don't think it would change anything. The XBSS is 380$ and XBSX is 550$ so, price alone guarantees any comeback impossible. 

Let's say they also port all their games to Switch 2.  Switch 2 is confirmed to only run Borderlands 4 at 30fps whereas you can practically guarantee it will run on 60 on PS5. Borderlands 4 will be a huge game and I can't see millions of PlayStation owners ditching their PS5's to play Borderlands 4 at 30fps just because Sony has put all their games on Nintendo. 

Sony has such key advantages over their competitors machines to the extent that I don't think there's any downside to having all their games on Xbox or Switch 2. PC is a different market entirely. 

Being a reseller, or just a 3rd party player, is the low-hanging fruit.  They aren't any different from Steam, and they won't be any different for what MSFT comes out with when it *tries* to expand on its online offerings.  

How is your product different?  What unique things will it offer the consumer?  What advantages does your product have over the competitors?  One of possibly several categories of unique things that the PS6 could offer would be exclusives.  As i mentioned before, the price in MSFT's case would be much higher and they would get much less from this investment.  So, that could be why Microsoft will be moving to a less intense strategy.   

And, all of this is straight marketing theory.  If you dismiss me then i don't know what else to tell you. 

I'm not saying that you're wrong, I'm saying it doesn't matter because there isn't any other options. There's only 3 options. Xbox Switch 2 and PC. Xbox isn't strong enough to compete even if Sony put all it's games on it. Switch 2 has technical limitations that will limit the fps to only 30 when PS5 will have 60. PC is more expensive and complicated and isn't getting GTA 6 day one so I don't think everyone is going to give up their Playstations to get PC's. PC cases are also generally much bigger than consoles so it's inconvenient for many. 

What your saying is right, but none of it matters if there's no other option strong enough for the consumers to buy into instead. 



xboxgreen said:

Licenses are expensive to maintain. Just look at spiderman if you don't believe me. That youtuber is actually quite credible and it isn't the only source. Here is some more data to prove playstation games aren't doing as well as you think.

Sony is still bringing in billions from licensed products like MLB and SpiderMan. Being hard to maintain doesn't mean they aren't making bank. Sony literally has a Marvel fighter lined up next year despite all the high licensing fees. 

You can't be looking at limited data sets to make claims about PlayStation first party popularity. For instance, during God of War Ragnarok's launch quarter, Sony sold a total of 86.5M units of software, with first party accounting for 20.8M of those unit sales. Sony's actual releases account for less than 5% of overall game releases on their platform, but they still had their first party account for nearly 20%+ of software sales on the platform. It also led to November 2022 being the peak November for the PS5 (NPD), despite other holiday seasons having plenty of stock, and strong discounts. It goes to show that Ragnarok moved more consoles than stock availability and price cuts could in later years. However, I'm not going to cite this massive holiday period and pretend this is how PlayStation performs every quarter. And I'm not certainly going to do that for a slow sales period like April to June lol. 

And based on this: PlayStation Plus Monthly Games for July & a big thank you to players for 15 wonderful years – PlayStation.Blog

First party titles like Ghost of Tsushima, God of War Ragnarok, SpiderMan Miles Morales, and The Last of Us Part I, are some of the most played games for a two month period. You can't leave out the impact of Sony's back catalog driving PS+ tiers when discussing first party success either. That is not even getting into all the first party IP being used for custom plates/hardware/controllers.

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Sogreblute said:

Will Sony copy Microsoft?
They already have.
Microsoft porting their old games to PC - Sony did the same.
Microsoft porting games day n date to PC - Sony now is doing that with some games.
Microsoft porting games to other consoles - Sony now is doing the same.

Playstation has become a 3rd party publisher since they started putting games on PC.

Exactly , next thing Sony is gonna copy -

Microsoft kills their console sales - Sony in the process to do the same.



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Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

If XB sales keep declining into next gen, and PS6 can pick up a nice chunk of those, it would give SNY all the more reason to keep and grow their walled garden, while trying to expand it into others ecosystems at the same time.
Why give up a safe bet, especially when you've got little to no direct competition?

The thing is, they don't really need the walled garden approach anymore. Phil Spencer has been very clear that it is no longer MS's goal to compete with PS5 and the Switch 2 has technical shortcomings that won't allow it to compete with the PS5 in a way that concerns Sony. CPU being only a bit more powerful than PS4 for example (according to Virtuos studios developer)

EricHiggin said:

I think before going hard at porting some games to SW2, SNY might just take one more crack at a PS handheld (hybrid) and see how it goes. If it sells well enough, fantastic, but if it fails, then focus on porting to SW2,SW3,etc, going forward.

It will be more like the Steam Deck as in they won't develop games for it, it will just run the games on the PS store. So, not really a competitor device to Switch 2 where the games are specifically developed for it around the hardware. If it's not a competitor device they may as as well just put their games on there. 

They don't need the walled garden because XB is much too weak at the moment, and has been for some time. The thing is, it's not impossible for MS to pull a 180 and seriously attempt another comeback. Yes, this is quite unlikely, I admit, but not impossible. That also doesn't take into consideration, any other company that decides to enter the market in the future. Who really saw MS jumping in before Sega died out? If SNY removed the walls, they open themselves up and add a bunch of risk. There's no need for that, as long as they can continue to expand outside the "main wall" or "main gate".

This was basically my initial thought process as well about the handheld device. I'd assume x86 based just like PS6 will be, so that it's directly compatible. Whether it's locked down to only PS Store game purchases, or will play PC games as well, who knows, but I'd guess this is the most likely route.

The other option I wonder about, is would SNY contract with Nvidia and make a very similar SW2 like device instead? Hardware that would be closely compatible with SW2 anyway. That way the PS handheld hybrid doesn't have to sell in massive numbers to remain viable. Even if it were to sell borderline poorly, you could justify keeping the product because the PS games are already basically ported for SW2 at that point, so also sell them on SW2, 3rd party SW2 games would be a piece of cake to port to the PS handheld, and the PS handheld would still allow direct sales from the PS Store and PS Plus Subs. In this case, worst case, if the PS handheld hybrid clearly failed, SNY could discontinue the hardware, then immediately move to just putting games on SW2 because it would be a simple shift.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

shavenferret said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

The thing is, they don't really need the walled garden approach anymore. Phil Spencer has been very clear that it is no longer MS's goal to compete with PS5 and the Switch 2 has technical shortcomings that won't allow it to compete with the PS5 in a way that concerns Sony. CPU being only a bit more powerful than PS4 for example (according to Virtuos studios developer)

EricHiggin said:

I think before going hard at porting some games to SW2, SNY might just take one more crack at a PS handheld (hybrid) and see how it goes. If it sells well enough, fantastic, but if it fails, then focus on porting to SW2,SW3,etc, going forward.

It will be more like the Steam Deck as in they won't develop games for it, it will just run the games on the PS store. So, not really a competitor device to Switch 2 where the games are specifically developed for it around the hardware. If it's not a competitor device they may as as well just put their games on there.

The thing is that having a walled garden would be ideal, but this is unobtainable at least for now.  Moneyhatting exclusives will cost way more since the sales won't be good.  Same thing with MSFT exclusive developers/games.   So, they have to do purely 3rd party or they would have negative profit.  Microsoft won't get enough of an uptick in sales to justify the exclusives, in whatever form these exclusives may come by.

Moneyhatting won't be anywhere as necessary if SNY has the home console market on lock. If PS is confident enough that they can start putting non GASS games on XB, then PS doesn't need to spend anywhere near as much to lock games down to their platform. Most of those games will naturally sell way better on PS6, so SNY would save a bunch of money that way.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
shavenferret said:

The thing is that having a walled garden would be ideal, but this is unobtainable at least for now.  Moneyhatting exclusives will cost way more since the sales won't be good.  Same thing with MSFT exclusive developers/games.   So, they have to do purely 3rd party or they would have negative profit.  Microsoft won't get enough of an uptick in sales to justify the exclusives, in whatever form these exclusives may come by.

Moneyhatting won't be anywhere as necessary if SNY has the home console market on lock. If PS is confident enough that they can start putting non GASS games on XB, then PS doesn't need to spend anywhere near as much to lock games down to their platform. Most of those games will naturally sell way better on PS6, so SNY save a bunch of money that way.

Agreed, but that was my point.  If the hurdle is so low, why not jump over and really win?  MSFT will have to moneyhat or spend $$$$ on buying developers, etc etc etc.  In other words, the cost of exclusives for microsoft would be way too high.    

But we, agree so the two of us are just restating it all it would seem.



NoLimitVito said:
Sogreblute said:

Will Sony copy Microsoft?
They already have.
Microsoft porting their old games to PC - Sony did the same.
Microsoft porting games day n date to PC - Sony now is doing that with some games.
Microsoft porting games to other consoles - Sony now is doing the same.

Playstation has become a 3rd party publisher since they started putting games on PC.

Exactly , next thing Sony is gonna copy -

Microsoft kills their console sales - Sony in the process to do the same.

No they're not.

Being able to play Astro Bot or Horizon on Switch 2 or Xbox isn't going to stop people buying Playstations; nobody wants an Xbox anyway and Switch 2 is different enough that there's reasons for some to prefer PS5, like if they value graphics over portability.



NoLimitVito said:
Sogreblute said:

Will Sony copy Microsoft?
They already have.
Microsoft porting their old games to PC - Sony did the same.
Microsoft porting games day n date to PC - Sony now is doing that with some games.
Microsoft porting games to other consoles - Sony now is doing the same.

Playstation has become a 3rd party publisher since they started putting games on PC.

Exactly , next thing Sony is gonna copy -

Microsoft kills their console sales - Sony in the process to do the same.

You forgot massive reorganization, because I have a feeling Sony is going to do the same soon. But yes if PS6 is a 700 euro device and it will not have exclusives and paid online, pc wouldn't be more expensive anymore.



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