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EricHiggin on 28 November 2024

The Switch platform problem just happens to be very similar to the trans athlete problem.
The answer to those problems is the same as the, what to do with woman who want to play professional sports problem, which we've already solved.
You create a new category for everything of that specific sort because there's too much of a difference to compare/compete directly.
Switch is a (handheld console) hybrid.
Problem solved.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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Otter on 28 November 2024
TeachMeHisty said:

Switch is a handheld, because:
TV play is not a defining feature of either home console or handheld.

The clockspeed changes are artificial and have no hardware-related reasons, only personal preferences. (The switch runs just fine at ~max clocks even if undocked).

What people use it for doesnt matter, otherwise I could start (mis)using people as punching bags and get away from it, as that "person" will now be considered an
"item itended to be punched" not a human.

A hybrid is defined as something that merges 2 or more functionalities, which the individual items arent capable off. This is not the case with switch, as the entire hardware needed to perform its intended task (play games) is used in either setup.
A proper hybrid external hardware to allow for things the other set of hardware is (physically) not capable of. E.g.: a GTX 4090 inside the dock which is used instead of the GPU in the SoC when docked.

A suprisingly constant feature of home consoles is that you can theoretically swap everything in the system without altering its use case.
You could for example add so much more hardware to a home console that it becomes a cubic metre big, it wouldnt affect how you use it. Try the same with a handheld and it wont work anymore. Yes I know this is a theoretical example.

So.. neither the PSP nor the Switch are home consoles. The switch merely offers features which naturally integrate into a handheld, which arent necessarily required.
After all, there are HH defining features, HC defining features and neutral elements.

What is a defining feature of a home console then? I'm not sure I understand your bolded paragraph. If you gut a PS5 and replace it with different hardware it will not play PS5 games. 

As far as your example with the punching bag. You using a person as a punching bag doesn't negate the characteristics that make them a person. Food doens't stop being its respective form (plant, fruit, animal) just because it is being used as food. It is both food (it's use case) and its categorised anatomical/chemical state (Fruit)

labels such punching bags or game consoles are human construct derived from functionality. You're not just looking at intention, but also design. The skin of a cow, is just that.. Until I design it into a leather glove. This design, combined with intention can't be ignored. Otherwise my glove is not actually a glove, its just cow hide?

In a world where every device is multifunctional, where is a label drawn if not intended use and design? When is a calculator that can play games not a game console? Or what about my TV? The whole idea of "dedicated" function is in itself drawn from design and intention. 

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Shikamo on 28 November 2024

After reading all this I changed my mind. Everyone can tell your opinion, so I'll give my opinion. For me Switch is not a home console, handheld or a hybrid, for me the Nintendo Switch is a Iwata vision of how Nintendo can skyrocket the sales with a new console and a new concept, so he reached to a conclusion that Nintendo first have to reach the sky with the "New Nintendo System"..... in the end Nintendo Switch is a version of a Helicopter Blackhawk. Case closed.



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xl-klaudkil on 28 November 2024
SuperJortendo said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I see a lot of people claiming the NSW is a home console because it connects to a TV via a passthrough box. Well, the PSP could also connect/be played on a TV via a cable. If you consider the NSW a home console because it connects to a TV via passthrough, then you must be consistent and consider the PSP a home console too. What do you think about this, and people being inconsistent with their views towards PSP and NSW both being "home consoles", even when they had the same feature. 

I'd argue that the Switch is both because it is sold as both in the box. Aside from the games that's its biggest selling point.

What about the switch lite? Thats a 100% handheld..



 

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SuperJortendo on 28 November 2024
xl-klaudkil said:
SuperJortendo said:

I'd argue that the Switch is both because it is sold as both in the box. Aside from the games that's its biggest selling point.

What about the switch lite? Thats a 100% handheld..

I agree 100%. Even though the Switch lite can be made to display on a TV it is a handheld device. That was its intended purpose and the way the vast majority of lite owners use it.

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EricHiggin on 28 November 2024

As to the Switch "intent" argument, take those upset about guns in any manner, and try to change their mind by explaining the intent of guns.
I'll give you a hint as to the outcome. Intent won't mean jack to them.
Then ask them how much they enjoyed Duck Hunt...

*The only intent that would matter to them, is what each individual user of the device decided to do with it.

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PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Hardstuck-Platinum on 28 November 2024
EricHiggin said:

The Switch platform problem just happens to be very similar to the trans athlete problem.
The answer to those problems is the same as the, what to do with woman who want to play professional sports problem, which we've already solved.
You create a new category for everything of that specific sort because there's too much of a difference to compare/compete directly.
Switch is a (handheld console) hybrid.
Problem solved.

As someone else has said in this thread, if there was extra hardware inside the dock that worked together with the Switch, then yes you could consider it a handheld/console hybrid. That is not the case however. A passthrough box/cable can not turn a handheld into a hybrid. If you believe Switch is a hybrid then you must believe PSP is a hybrid. 



EricHiggin on 28 November 2024
Hardstuck-Platinum said:
EricHiggin said:

The Switch platform problem just happens to be very similar to the trans athlete problem.
The answer to those problems is the same as the, what to do with woman who want to play professional sports problem, which we've already solved.
You create a new category for everything of that specific sort because there's too much of a difference to compare/compete directly.
Switch is a (handheld console) hybrid.
Problem solved.

As someone else has said in this thread, if there was extra hardware inside the dock that worked together with the Switch, then yes you could consider it a handheld/console hybrid. That is not the case however. A passthrough box/cable can not turn a handheld into a hybrid. If you believe Switch is a hybrid then you must believe PSP is a hybrid. 

Does the Switch come with everything in the box, or do you need to purchase the battery or dock separately?

As long as it comes with all that, right from launch, it's a (handheld console) hybrid.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Hardstuck-Platinum on 28 November 2024
EricHiggin said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

As someone else has said in this thread, if there was extra hardware inside the dock that worked together with the Switch, then yes you could consider it a handheld/console hybrid. That is not the case however. A passthrough box/cable can not turn a handheld into a hybrid. If you believe Switch is a hybrid then you must believe PSP is a hybrid. 

Does the Switch come with everything in the box, or do you need to purchase the battery or dock separately?

As long as it comes with all that, right from launch, it's a (handheld console) hybrid.

If two car manufacturers developed a car that could transform into a boat with a push of a button, but only one included the transformation button with the first sale package, would we discount/disregard the other one being a hybrid just because it didn't come with it at the start? I just don't understand this logic or reasoning. You can't just disregard features because you didn't get everything you needed to access that feature inside the box. 



IcaroRibeiro on 28 November 2024
LegitHyperbole said:

And if a phone is a chrome book, a chrome book is a laptop and a laptop is a PC then a phone is a PC. 

Smartphones are computers

PC just means Personal Computer. Which was a term created to set personal computers apart from minicomputers or mainframes.

Laptops are also personal computers

I thought it was common sense?