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JackHandy said:
Hiku said:

So if there is a line to be drawn, where would it be?

If it requires a TV, or external display, and an outlet natively... it's a console. If it can be held in your hands and played without those two things, it's a handheld. That's pretty much the gist of it.

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Nintendo alarmo also has a display and can be carried everywhere with your hands, does it make a handheld? Now look a switch without the joycons attached and tell me if you can use it like the others videogames handhelds. It even has a stand to place like a mini TV, I could use as a digital portrait

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JackHandy said:
firebush03 said:

Nintendo Switch is the best selling home console, handheld console, hybrid console, AND console (for video games) of all time. Nintendo Switch is the best selling video game system of the PS4 and PS5 generations...meaning Nintendo has won every generation excluding the PS2 generations. (NES >> ???) (SNES >> Sega Genesis) (GameBoy >> PS1) (Wii/DS >> PS3) (NSW >> PS4) (NSW >> PS5)

...and, again, my point in how useless these subjective labels are lol. (And no, I do not actually believe Nintendo has "won" every generation, nor does it matter.)

Dear Lord... lol

Nintendo has won every single handheld gen since Gameboy. They are six for six in that department. Undisputed. Literally the Jordan of industry.

On the home-console side (consoles that require a TV to function and need a wall outlet), they are three for six. The NES, SNES and Wii won, the N64, Gamecube and Wii-U all lost... handedly.

The top five list for home-console sales.

1.) NSW

2.) PS2

3.) PS4

4.) PS1

5.) Wii

The top five list for handhelds sales.

1.) DS

2.) Switch

3.) Gameboy/Gameboy Color

4.) GBA

5.) PSP

To restate from my post which you quoted here: "And no, I do not actually believe Nintendo has "won" every generation, nor does it matter." In other words, you missed the point.

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No it wouldn't be, cause Switch runs at higher frequencies ( for higher resolution ) once docked, and that difference between portable & docked frequencies will be even higher in Switch 2. Other portable devices, don't. No are they beign sold as such, meaning hybrids with all necessary addons packed in.




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Otter said:
killer7 said:

@Cobretti2
If you just add a 5PS Engine on your bike its licence free. At least where I live! And the Switch, as Hardstruck correctly stated is no high end home console, the same goes for a 5PS engine- its no V8 engine. But the Switch is (or at at least was) high end for a handheld when it released! And here again my fellow college is right, a hiden HDMI port under a plastic box does not transform your handheld into a home console, no matter how hard Nintendo wants to make you believe in it!! As someone stated, a car is no musicbox just because i can have music in my car.
@Hardstruck
An argument you and the others forgot:
Why is there a Switch Lite, a version you can ONLY use in HANDHELD mode, but no Switch TV like PSVita (PSTV) had? That would "transform" the PSVita into a home console a lot more than the Switch is now! Please think about that!

Why would one stand alone TV device, transform a stand alone portable device into a home console?
PS TV is a home console. 
PSVita is a handheld

Although I've legit had a fun giggle in this thread, Thank you Hardstuck-Platinum, I'll end by saying:

If you want to argue semantics: First find a dictionary definition.
If you want to argue meaning, actually discern the product design, intended uses and common uses.
If a device fits more than one function, ask if and why these functions/labels are mutually exclusive.


Because it takes the wind out of the "home console sailors". IF Nintendo really wants to show Switch as a "home console first and formore" like they literally say, why not release a Switch TV (only) like the Switch Lite is Handheld only? Answer: Because technically the Switch is a Handheld. A small road in the woods is no highway, just because i technically could drive there with a car and speed it up insanely.



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PSP had it's TV output as a secondary function, whereas Switch has it as a primary function. However, Switch isn't just a handheld/home console system, but it also works as a standalone portable multiplayer system. So it's a bit different than handheld even when not docked. Having it docked also gives it a boost in performance.
Even if people bought PS2's back in the day as cheap DVD-players, the DVD was the system's secondary function, primary function was to play games.

In general, what you consider a games console today, is a bit different how it was seen 30 years ago. It used to mean a dedicated system you plug to your TV just to play games, but today they have all sorts of other functions.

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Switch is a handheld, because:
TV play is not a defining feature of either home console or handheld.

The clockspeed changes are artificial and have no hardware-related reasons, only personal preferences. (The switch runs just fine at ~max clocks even if undocked).

What people use it for doesnt matter, otherwise I could start (mis)using people as punching bags and get away from it, as that "person" will now be considered an
"item itended to be punched" not a human.

A hybrid is defined as something that merges 2 or more functionalities, which the individual items arent capable off. This is not the case with switch, as the entire hardware needed to perform its intended task (play games) is used in either setup.
A proper hybrid external hardware to allow for things the other set of hardware is (physically) not capable of. E.g.: a GTX 4090 inside the dock which is used instead of the GPU in the SoC when docked.

A suprisingly constant feature of home consoles is that you can theoretically swap everything in the system without altering its use case.
You could for example add so much more hardware to a home console that it becomes a cubic metre big, it wouldnt affect how you use it. Try the same with a handheld and it wont work anymore. Yes I know this is a theoretical example.

So.. neither the PSP nor the Switch are home consoles. The switch merely offers features which naturally integrate into a handheld, which arent necessarily required.
After all, there are HH defining features, HC defining features and neutral elements.



TeachMeHisty said:

Switch is a handheld, because:
TV play is not a defining feature of either home console or handheld.

The clockspeed changes are artificial and have no hardware-related reasons, only personal preferences. (The switch runs just fine at ~max clocks even if undocked).

What people use it for doesnt matter, otherwise I could start (mis)using people as punching bags and get away from it, as that "person" will now be considered an
"item itended to be punched" not a human.

A hybrid is defined as something that merges 2 or more functionalities, which the individual items arent capable off. This is not the case with switch, as the entire hardware needed to perform its intended task (play games) is used in either setup.
A proper hybrid external hardware to allow for things the other set of hardware is (physically) not capable of. E.g.: a GTX 4090 inside the dock which is used instead of the GPU in the SoC when docked.

A suprisingly constant feature of home consoles is that you can theoretically swap everything in the system without altering its use case.
You could for example add so much more hardware to a home console that it becomes a cubic metre big, it wouldnt affect how you use it. Try the same with a handheld and it wont work anymore. Yes I know this is a theoretical example.

So.. neither the PSP nor the Switch are home consoles. The switch merely offers features which naturally integrate into a handheld, which arent necessarily required.
After all, there are HH defining features, HC defining features and neutral elements.

Actually the reason for clockspeed change is hardware: lower clock gives you better battery life.

Switch has three functions, not two: handheld system, plug to TV and a standalone system.



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Mnementh said:
Hardstuck-Platinum said:

I see a lot of people claiming the NSW is a home console because it connects to a TV via a passthrough box. Well, the PSP could also connect/be played on a TV via a cable. If you consider the NSW a home console because it connects to a TV via passthrough, then you must be consistent and consider the PSP a home console too. What do you think about this, and people being inconsistent with their views towards PSP and NSW both being "home consoles", even when they had the same feature. 

You can connect a lot of phones to TVs too, but they are seen as mobile devices. What matters is not so much what is theoretically possible, but more how people actually use it. The PSP was mostly used mobile, so it is a handheld. The Switch is actually used by many connected to the TV, while others use it mobile. Which makes it a hybrid. Some japanese played the WiiU on the train, but it was used by most in the household, so it is not a mobile device. What matters is not so much what could be theoretically done, but more what it is actually used for.

You can connect a laptop to a screen with hdmi, is it any less a gaming PC at that point. Connecting a phone to a screen with the proper software, DEX on Samsung or whatever makes it at the very least a chrome book. The phone are so much more powerful than what the mobile OS's and mobile apps need these days. They are practically as powerful as laptops, in fact my phone spec wise is more powerful than many of the entry level and mid range laptops I was recenrly browsing double the specs, they just don't have windows. And if a phone is a chrome book, a chrome book is a laptop and a laptop is a PC then a phone is a PC. 

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