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Under Trumo, The world will be...

More peaceful 9 23.68%
 
Less peaceful 14 36.84%
 
Much the same 8 21.05%
 
A nuclear wasteland 1 2.63%
 
Something I can't predict. 6 15.79%
 
Total:38
shavenferret said:
Pemalite said:

Nothing will change.
Trump like all presidents are more or less beholden to what congress pushes and the politics on the world stage.

The fear that any president will "destroy America" is pretty baseless, that claim has been thrown around for centuries, it's simply politics.
Plus Trump doesn't have a good track record, he couldn't even build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out during his term like he promised, yet blamed illegal immigrants on the Democrats. - If Trump did his job it would be a non-issue to start with.

And whatever big policies Trump pushes during his term, will just get undone with the next democrat who comes to power if it doesn't work. See: Obama care.

In saying that, I am going to enjoy the drama that comes out of the Trump administration, the last time he was in power it was great and free entertainment, the world took the USA less seriously, but it definitely was good entertainment.

Regardless, Europe is worried about Trump and his lack of support for Ukraine.  They are also worried what this could mean for the political landscape of Europe.  Will there be an underhanded deal with Putin?  will Trump give NATO a hard time?

Europe has gone through multiple "world wars". They survived those, they will survive this.
Europe doesn't actually need the USA to deal with Russia, it definitely helps, but it's not a requirement.

In saying that, when Trump was elected last time, not much changed on the allegiance front, he is only in power for a short time and then he is gone, so any real change will be non-existent.

The only real gamble is what will happen to Ukraine, if Trump pulls all support, then Russia gains more land, more economic weight, more population, more resources... And that may give China the "balls" to take on Taiwan if the USA is seen as a pushover.

Remember when the USA was being "isolationist" last and tried to stay out of Europe's wars, just like how Trump is now... Pearl Harbor ended up being bombed, thousands of American lives lost, seems that history lesson has not sunk in with Trump.

It was also Russia, The United States and The United Kingdom fault this war occurred as well, when we asked Ukraine to give up it's Nuclear deterrent with the promise of allowing their freedom and independence, that backfired.



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SvennoJ said:
Tober said:

A written opinion piece can go either way. I could copy paste a different opinion piece from someone else and present it as truth. It does not change my view or make it myth.

The most brutal conflict that he inherited was ISIS. He stopped that pretty quickly by having the middle east de-fund them. Every US President drops bombs all over the place. I believe no one more than Obama. Yes I believe Trump's first term was more peaceful than Obama before him and Biden after him. Does that make him a peaceful President? No, none of them are. But I did not claim he was.

Isis never stopped
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/18/trump-isis-terrorists-defeated-foreign-policy-225816/

But I'll give you a slight lull in the death count during his presidency



2016-2020 saw fewer deaths compared to Obama.

However no change in number of armed conflicts


And he did set up the conditions for the current wars in the ME with his policies. The Abraham accords are deeply unpopular among the populations and seen as a ploy to sideline the Palestinian issue.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords-peace-middle-east/

Almost every assumption that undergirded the Israel-Arab normalization agreements was disastrously wrong, and now we are paying the price.

That's Trump's baby, instead of helping towards a solution on the ME he sharpened the divides and fueled the tension leading to Oct 7.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/dec/05/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-made-peace-in-the-middle-east-with/

The blood of 1,200+ Israelis, 3,600+ Lebanese and over 44,000 Palestinians is partly on Trump's hands.

https://time.com/6339889/cancel-abraham-accords/



To me, it looks like we are now in a continuation of the Arab Spring. During Trumps first term, there seemed to be a pause of some kind.

In round one, we bombed Libya back into a failed state, had a coup in Egypt, an attempted coup in Turkey and the USA established an army base in Syria (should that not be considered an invasion of a sovereign country?).

Looks like we are in the middle of round two. Geopolitics does not care about freedom or democracy. It cares to protect and expand interests, military and economically. Sadly it appears to me more and more that October 7th was a perfect opportunity for the Hawks to continue. From Gaza, now Lebanon and I expect Syria will be next (Russia is busy now, so won't be sending troops to Syria this time.). With the big prize Iran on the horizon.

How quickly this will unfold will have something to do with who is President, but longer term the objectives are clear and inevitable. They always were.



Oh well. I suppose we'll have to wait and see. I'm gonna keep this thread handy to see how things goes over the next few years and mark his mistakes. Or his good moves (if that's the case).I feel very doubtful that anyone, regardless of who they are could fix things, if peace does come on his term it won't last.



More and I don't say that as a Trump lover, though I do like the guy. I say that as world leaders either respect his authority, are afraid of him or at the very least, recognize he's the single most powerful person in the world and they must play ball with him. There's been shifts toward peace and tradition already and he hasn't even taken his oath yet.

He's a deal maker and he will always negotiate in his own favor - or else. Trump is everything other countries see Americans as, for better or worse.

Biden is none of those things though that's only partly his fault. He's a rah-rah guy but his faculties failed him. He's just as arrogant as Trump with far less charisma and negotiating ability. He also answers to the Democratic party which has been radicalized to cartoonish Sith level absolutes, leaving him little wiggle room to shake hands across the aisle like he made his career doing.

As a Trump supporter, I can honestly say it probably won't be more peaceful BECAUSE of Trump, but because he's not a tired, defeated Joe Biden.



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IkePoR said:

More and I don't say that as a Trump lover, though I do like the guy. I say that as world leaders either respect his authority, are afraid of him or at the very least, recognize he's the single most powerful person in the world and they must play ball with him. There's been shifts toward peace and tradition already and he hasn't even taken his oath yet.

He's a deal maker and he will always negotiate in his own favor - or else. Trump is everything other countries see Americans as, for better or worse.

Biden is none of those things though that's only partly his fault. He's a rah-rah guy but his faculties failed him. He's just as arrogant as Trump with far less charisma and negotiating ability. He also answers to the Democratic party which has been radicalized to cartoonish Sith level absolutes, leaving him little wiggle room to shake hands across the aisle like he made his career doing.

As a Trump supporter, I can honestly say it probably won't be more peaceful BECAUSE of Trump, but because he's not a tired, defeated Joe Biden.

There's no denying he is a business man alright and he'll be making deals, wheter this is a good thing or a bad thing it depends on who you are. A deal with Putin to lessen the US's roll in NATO is not good for Europe but exactly what Russia wants. 



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Well, here we go. Not even in office yet. Btw, might I just say, following Alex Jones is a must. It's fun.



LegitHyperbole said:
IkePoR said:

More and I don't say that as a Trump lover, though I do like the guy. I say that as world leaders either respect his authority, are afraid of him or at the very least, recognize he's the single most powerful person in the world and they must play ball with him. There's been shifts toward peace and tradition already and he hasn't even taken his oath yet.

He's a deal maker and he will always negotiate in his own favor - or else. Trump is everything other countries see Americans as, for better or worse.

Biden is none of those things though that's only partly his fault. He's a rah-rah guy but his faculties failed him. He's just as arrogant as Trump with far less charisma and negotiating ability. He also answers to the Democratic party which has been radicalized to cartoonish Sith level absolutes, leaving him little wiggle room to shake hands across the aisle like he made his career doing.

As a Trump supporter, I can honestly say it probably won't be more peaceful BECAUSE of Trump, but because he's not a tired, defeated Joe Biden.

There's no denying he is a business man alright and he'll be making deals, wheter this is a good thing or a bad thing it depends on who you are. A deal with Putin to lessen the US's roll in NATO is not good for Europe but exactly what Russia wants. 

This might sound weird, but I believe Europe will be first to want a deal. Reason: Cheap Energy. If that means giving up parts of Ukraine I don't think European leaders would care that much. But obviously they cannot say that out loud. I image Germany to be pretty pissed for that Northstream pipeline blown up.



Tober said:
LegitHyperbole said:

There's no denying he is a business man alright and he'll be making deals, wheter this is a good thing or a bad thing it depends on who you are. A deal with Putin to lessen the US's roll in NATO is not good for Europe but exactly what Russia wants. 

This might sound weird, but I believe Europe will be first to want a deal. Reason: Cheap Energy. If that means giving up parts of Ukraine I don't think European leaders would care that much. But obviously they cannot say that out loud. I image Germany to be pretty pissed for that Northstream pipeline blown up.

I don't know to be honest, I haven't been taking too much notice enough to comment on that. If you look at history, it's usually a divided country after a certain point. Korea, Vietnam, Irelan, Isreal, south Africa and many more with varying different reasons for the split but in modern day, with the interent and public opinion, we can't say where they'll fall on that. 



The US is what it is, regardless of who sits in office. And the US is a war-economy first and foremost. I'm no fan of Trump, but people running around screaming about the end of the world need to sit down and breathe, have a nice meal. He already had one term, the world survived. Political commentary today is so full of hyperbole and polarization that it's lost almost all meaning.



He's made it a point to not start wars but rather end them, and he did just that in his first term. I expect him to tow that line now as well. However, not everything is under his control.