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When will the Switch pass 160M?

By end of 2027 3 7.14%
 
In 2028 8 19.05%
 
In 2029 8 19.05%
 
In 2030 7 16.67%
 
Never 16 38.10%
 
Total:42
xl-klaudkil said:
trunkswd said:

Shawn Layden confirmed the legitimacy of that picture. Though that was after he left PlayStation.

But, why would he lie?

And he actually knows it soo. Thats proof for me.

But even if the picture is legit, this doesn't tell us how many of those were manufactured but not sold through. Could be half a million, could be a million, we'll never know.



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trunkswd said:
xl-klaudkil said:

But, why would he lie?

And he actually knows it soo. Thats proof for me.

Yeah agreed. I also hope Switch tops 160.64 million lifetime, which will end any argument. 

Laydon was ex-employee. Therefore not a representative anymore to speak on behalve of Sony. I think its prudent to use Sony's official information.

Besides if Laydon knew this number as employee, why not disclose it earlier. In the position as CEO he needs to accurately inform the shareholders. Essentially not correcting the earlier communicated 155 he would have misinformed his shareholders.



Ashadelo said:
archbrix said:

I absolutely do think that Sony went into defense mode over the PS2's record when Switch crossed the 150m mark and this latest change to Sony's business data page pretty much confirms that.

The "more than 160.0m" that was listed previously was subject to many of us concluding that it did not sell 100k more, but now it has been changed to eliminate what little accuracy was present for a far more ambiguous "somewhere over 160m".  Why change it at all then unless it was simply to mask that all that is needed to top it is 100k more?  Or, to instead confirm that it did indeed exceed 160.1m, which Sony did not do.

And I agree that it is suspicious that Sony would not have announced that it crossed the 160m mark over a decade ago, but it still remains possible when we look at the PS3's total produced vs total sold.  But just barely.

The PS3's final manufactured number is:  88,159,116 units...

... and we know that the console actually shipped/sold 87.4m.  That is a difference of around 759k units that did not make retail.

Looking at the PS2's final produced number at 160,636,885 units...

... that would mean that no more than 636,884 units didn't make it to retail in order for it to be "more than 160m", which is possible, I suppose. 

But the idea that it could have reached 100k over 160m for shipped/sold units is just completely unbelievable now.

This is why I do hope that the Switch does beat the record that the PS2 holds currently; not because I'm a Nintendo fan, not just because this is likely the only shot left in my lifetime to see it broken, and it's not as if I dislike the PS2 at all... but because of Sony's complete lack of transparency regarding the console's sales. 

If Sony didn't resort to lumping shipment numbers together to hide lacking sales in the first place then we wouldn't have to rely on its ex-executives to set the record straight.  Seriously, it seems like Shawn Layden has confirmed more playstation numbers in the last few years than Sony itself.  Props to him, I guess.

So Nintendo needs to do 160,636,886 to be in first. Another 4.05 million

Based off of the unofficial evidence we have available, yes, that would be indisputable.  Even Mr. Layden himself would have to agree.

Personally though, if Switch makes it to 160,100,000 then that would be enough for me to declare Switch's victory over the PS2.

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the Switch needs 160 m, and still be in the market, that would be enough



It would be nice if a disgruntled or bullied Sony employee (which is supposedly not uncommon nowadays...) leaked the definitive final sell-in number unmistakably and in a clearly verifiable manner, showing it's no fake. It would also be nice if he or she went to the trouble of researching what was actually listed under sell-in regarding the PS2.



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Tober said:
trunkswd said:

Yeah agreed. I also hope Switch tops 160.64 million lifetime, which will end any argument. 

Laydon was ex-employee. Therefore not a representative anymore to speak on behalve of Sony. I think its prudent to use Sony's official information.

Besides if Laydon knew this number as employee, why not disclose it earlier. In the position as CEO he needs to accurately inform the shareholders. Essentially not correcting the earlier communicated 155 he would have misinformed his shareholders.

So someone who is high up ex sony doesnt know the facts and just straight up lies...

Yea,highly believable.

FACTS are..on the sony site it says higher then 160mill. Thats it offical sony stats.

Nobody has proof its not real, not one little piece of proof just" sony lies" " i dont believe it" "my gut tells me" 

Show proof if not  stay silent and wait until switch passes the 160mill.



 

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xl-klaudkil said:
Tober said:

Laydon was ex-employee. Therefore not a representative anymore to speak on behalve of Sony. I think its prudent to use Sony's official information.

Besides if Laydon knew this number as employee, why not disclose it earlier. In the position as CEO he needs to accurately inform the shareholders. Essentially not correcting the earlier communicated 155 he would have misinformed his shareholders.

So someone who is high up ex sony doesnt know the facts and just straight up lies...

Yea,highly believable.

FACTS are..on the sony site it says higher then 160mill. Thats it offical sony stats.

Nobody has proof its not real, not one little piece of proof just" sony lies" " i dont believe it" "my gut tells me" 

Show proof if not  stay silent and wait until switch passes the 160mill.

A (changing) line of code on a web page doesn't constitute a fact. They even got the year wrong...



exceedingdeath said:
xl-klaudkil said:

So someone who is high up ex sony doesnt know the facts and just straight up lies...

Yea,highly believable.

FACTS are..on the sony site it says higher then 160mill. Thats it offical sony stats.

Nobody has proof its not real, not one little piece of proof just" sony lies" " i dont believe it" "my gut tells me" 

Show proof if not  stay silent and wait until switch passes the 160mill.

A (changing) line of code on a web page doesn't constitute a fact. They even got the year wrong...

Soo your saying sony even lies on their own site? Hahahahahaaa proof it.

Them ninty diehards trying to cope with this is getting to funny.

Just wait until switch hits 160 and be happy or whatever.



 

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http://www.youtube.com/user/klaudkil

xl-klaudkil said:
exceedingdeath said:

A (changing) line of code on a web page doesn't constitute a fact. They even got the year wrong...

Soo your saying sony even lies on their own site? Hahahahahaaa proof it.

Them ninty diehards trying to cope with this is getting to funny.

Just wait until switch hits 160 and be happy or whatever.

No need to resort to personal attacks. You seem way more emotionally involved in this than the persons you attack.

I just wished they had been more transparent. I said myself for the Switch to be guaranteed #1 it has to pass that number because we will never know what the actual real number of sold-through consoles is as they officialy stopped tracking at 155M. There is always a good chunk of consoles manufactured that are never sold.



Louie said:
xl-klaudkil said:

So in reality ninty already manufactored more then 160mill then.

Great ps2 has been detrowned.. end of story.

xl-klaudkil said:
Louie said:

lol, I don't think so. I highly doubt they manufactured like four million consoles they didn't ship. Neither did Sony with the PS2. I guess we're talking about less than a 1 million difference between "manufactured but not shipped" and "shipped to actual retailers with the intent to be sold to actual customers". 

Have any actuall proof for that? 

Common sense?

Even if the Switch is a lot smaller than other consoles, they would need several warehouses to store 4 million units.

If they expect that it takes several years to sell those 4 million units, it would be a waste of money to store and protect all those units for years.
Also devices with batteries don't get better laying around for years (deep-discharge of those batteries could lead to loss of capacity, irreversible chemical damage and acute fire and short-circuit hazards during recharging due to damaged cell structures)