Yeah, I know. I just wanted to avoid the "It's just 6 cores vs 8 cores" comments.

And I pointed out below that this build would be much more powerful on the CPU side.

Yeah. I feel bad for the young people today who didn't get to experience true generational leaps. Going from Super Mario 3, to DKC, to OOT and then to MGS2 in a ten year span? Are you freakin' kidding me? Look at games from ten years ago (GTA5, for instance) and compare them to current gen. There is almost zero improvements going on. It's really sad.

The RTX 4090 is twice as fast on raster in UHD compared to a normal clocked RX7800 XT:

The difference is only smaller in lower resolutions due to bottlenecks.

Due to enhanced Raytracing, the RTX 4070 (non-super) is probably a better PS5 Pro comparison than an underclocked RX 7800 XT:

A mobile phone does way more than any Playstation.  

"PS5 Pro, though? No no no, it's bad, it's doom" 

Yes, this is very bad.

I would take that a step further and say that a phone has become integral to everyone's day to day life. You never go anywhere without your phone and you're in a panic if you can't find it because your entire life is on that phone. 

A PS5 Pro is for your hobby. 

While improvements are indeed a lot slower than they used to be this is part is not true at all. There is still a big difference in visuals between the best looking games from a decade ago and now. Hellblade 2 destroys any 2014 game in terms of graphics for example and there will be many more UE5 titles in the coming years.

We went from MGS1 to MGS2 in less than three years and GTA 2 to GTA 3 is about two years. That was mind blowing at the time. We can still get that with VR though, they are constantly leaping and blowing minds with that tech but it's an expensive little bugger of a train ride to stay boarded on. 

I was specifically looking at TPU, which is usually the most reliable outlet for that sort of thing. Regardless, margin of error and all. It doesn't change the point, so that's just fine letters.

As for RT, I agree. Doubling the 6700 non-XT's RT performance lands more or less around the 4070.

No, and if that's what you took away from my post then you are making the same mistake at lot of uninformed commentators are making.

No, the PS5 Pro is not nearly as good as an RTX 4080.  But it doesn't need to be to get the same result; and that's the point here.

Think about it.  Sony / Nixxes themselves say that to get 4k / 60fps with high Ray Tracing on PC with Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, you will need:

Source: https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/ratchet-and-clank-rift-apart/pc/

But look at the videos both Sony and CNet have released of the same game running on PS5 Pro.

It is also running at 4k 60 fps with high Ray Tracing.

But because the PS5 Pro GPU & CPU are much lower than this, then how is it able to do it?

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The answer is PSSR.

And this is where a lot of people are getting it wrong. 

Unlike a 4080 which is natively rendering a 4K image, the PS5 Pro is not.  It's using AI to upscale a lower resolution up to 4K.

This is the big paradigm shift in graphics rendering.  AI is upscaling a lower resolution image to make it look identical to a native 4K image.

So no, the GPU is PS5 Pro is no where near a 4080.  But it doesn't need to be because this is the start of the big AI paradigm shift in graphics rendering.

...You know there's AI upscaling on PC as well, right? You don't need to run this game natively in 4K on PC.

In fact, there's AI upscaling even on the base PS5. This is nothing new.