As usual, Zeldaring is wrong and derails a thread for pages on end. Can we get back to PS4 vs Xbox One?

DF says halo 4 can take the crown for most impressive game in the 7th gen but you can clearly see from your eyes it's not. what makes your opinion more valuable then there's?  To Me it's subjective and many techheads says comparing 2 different games with 2 different artstyle and goals is meaningless why should I value your opinion more then there's. Personally I think it's waste of time comparison because naughty dog for all we know could have achieved the same results or better since the 360 since the 360 had many advantages, maybe being easier to develope for could have giving them way more time to make the graphics better, who knows, a million what if scenerios  so i'll just judge a console power by the actual games and how they run not speculation.

Thread was turned to a 360 vs ps3 way before we started the tech discussion it was never a contest to begin with ps4 is massively better then xbox one, and you love saying I'm wrong when I'm right if that makes you feel better then keep doing it 

Still everything i said is factually right like can someone actually look at MGSV and crysis 3 which both use PBR and the look at the uncharted 2/3 and say this is technically more demanding on the GPU'S and cpu's and call it a fact. i say would this is impossible unless you are some kind AI human.

Halo 4 is visually impressive... To assert that I have stated otherwise is you simply ignoring my previous statements out of their intended context and only reading what you want to read. So... Stop doing that.

Halo 4 had multiple technical regressions from Halo 3, heck even Halo: Reach made some technical regressions from Halo 3, they were visually better games, they just weren't technically better in every aspect.
Get it yet? You are confusing art for engine technology, they are NOT the same thing.

The best looking Playstation 3 games, beat anything on Xbox 360. - Ergo, it doesn't matter how the majority of games look and perform when the best looking games are on Playstation 3.

The Xbox One had a few key advantages... Namely the CPU speed and the DRAM latency, which meant that in a few games which weren't bottlenecked by the Xbox One's slower memory bandwidth and GPU performance, it could actually come out ahead. - It was just a very rare occurrence, I recall one of the Assassins Creed games turning up better results when there was a ton of NPC's on-screen.

I remember the days when different consoles in the same gen were so unlike each other that multiplatform titles were totally separate games on say SNES vs Megadrive or N64 vs PS1, or looked radically different like PS2 vs Xbox, so I'd say PS4/XBO were very close in terms of the visual end results; usually it was 900p vs 1080p which isn't a big gap to my eyes.
Same goes for PS3 vs 360; the best stuff on both was of a pretty similar level of graphical quality.

Really comes down to which first party games you liked better.

The SNES vs Genesis was the embodiment of this. Want blood and proper fatalities with your MK (as well as controls that actually work)? Get a Genesis. Want the Aladdin version that Disney actually worked on? Get a Genesis. Want... hey, come to think of it, most of those battles were in Sega's favor lol. I don't think it was until MK2 where there was a game that most of us had to have on the SNES.

The Xbox One had a few key advantages... Namely the CPU speed and the DRAM latency, which meant that in a few games which weren't bottlenecked by the Xbox One's slower memory bandwidth and GPU performance, it could actually come out ahead. - It was just a very rare occurrence, I recall one of the Assassins Creed games turning up better results when there was a ton of NPC's on-screen.

Yeah it was Assassin's Creed Unity; both consoles ran at 900p but the Xbone had a better framerate: https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2014-assassins-creed-unity-face-off

Again this is subjective and really up to a developer's skill. Resident evil 4 was the best looking exclusive 6th gen GC that doesn't make it more powerful then xbox. Like how do I compare gtav vs uncharted 3 for example? I would say gtav pushes those 7th gen consoles to the max more then uncharted 3 and the results are pretty even, then you have more technically demanding games like late gen ports that both ps3/360 were pretty even like mgsv and crisis 3 for example. Sony developers are obviously way more skilled then Microsofts when it comes to making great  graphics so you are not factoring in skill of the developer.

When I mention halo 4 I said you don't think it's up there with sony best exclusives technically but other people knowledgeable about the subject do, so you opinion on it is not really a fact it's debatable and I don't think Sony has the best looking exclusives it's pretty close.

Resident evil 4 was the best looking exclusive 6th gen GC that doesn't make it more powerful then xbox.

Like how do I compare gtav vs uncharted 3 for example? I would say gtav pushes those 7th gen consoles to the max more then uncharted 3 and the results are pretty even, then you have more technically demanding games like late gen ports that both ps3/360 were pretty even like mgsv and crisis 3 for example.

Sony developers are obviously way more skilled then Microsofts when it comes to making great  graphics so you are not factoring in skill of the developer.

Yeah it was Assassin's Creed Unity; both consoles ran at 900p but the Xbone had a better framerate: https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2014-assassins-creed-unity-face-off

Considering this was so damn rare and many games look more impressive and do way more with cpu this is really most likely just a less skilled port team doing the job.