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Wow. He looks so healthy and in such good form, reminds me of that scene in game of thrones where the old guy, straightens up his back and is suddenly 20 years younger and more nimble when he's alone. I suppose the stress got to him and now he's free of it? Maybe they let's him actually sleep for once? What has caused this transformation. I don't wanna get conspiratorial but perhaps the people joking in the comments are right and he played the long con, seen this as the best move for the US and knew something we don't. 



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Tober said:

Been watching some reactions on US newschannels like ABC, MSBC and CNN. They are all talking about that Harris' campaign is not to blame. That it was great! Not surprisingly, because there are a $1 Billion reasons not too.

They sure don't want to piss of the DMC or have them thinking "mmmm, perhaps we should not have sunk a huge part of that campaign money in ads on traditional media channels. Let's do that different next time".

So instead they blame, who would have guessed, the Voter.

Identity group-A did not show up, Identity group-B dissapointed, Identity group-C are cultist, Identity group-D what where they thinking?!

As a previous poster on this treat pointed out, Liberal policies seem to be more popular. If so, it must be a messaging issue, a.k.a. Campaign issue. But you'll never hear these pundits say that.

Agreed. During election night CNN already remarked on the difference between campaigning efforts.

Republican campaigns much more targeted on social media as well as sending letters to older voters. The democrats boast about knocking on doors, yet those kind of pushy tactics usually leaves a negative after image on me.

I do wonder how much social engineering played a role this time
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/20/595338116/what-did-cambridge-analytica-do-during-the-2016-election

Ironic, conservatives are much more aware of the changing times, much more able to adapt to how to reach different demographics, while the progressives seem to be stuck in the past when it comes to campaigning.



Seriously asking... what I Joe had NOT stepped down for Kamala? Dementia and all, he decided to stay for the fight. Or actually "they" let him stay for the fight. Do you think the result would have ben different?



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EricHiggin said:

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson said fairly recently that he was approached by one of the parties to run for some type of political position. It sure sounded like it was for Prez, and he made it sound like he is interested, just not now since his kids are young.

He makes it pretty clear he's a Dem, so odds are good it was the Dems who approached him.

Imagine a Gabbard vs Johnson election.

Well it's be fun to say the least, to think there'd be a good chance of him winning too, lol. We are already at "ow, my balls" level of writing in some specific media. 

Back to reality, I seen a better match for next term though, the Republicans pass an amendment so presidents can run a third term. Trump Vs Obama. What a showdown that'd be. 

Can't be done constitutionally. An amendment not only requires two thirds of both houses to even be put up to a vote (or an Article V convention of states), but 75% of the states (three-fourths) have to ratify it for it to come into effect within a certain time. That's 38 states, which means just 12 states can block an amendment. New England and the West Coast + Colorado and New Mexico are 12 states, and that's before you add the Mid-Atlantic, Illinois, and Minnesota. 



EnricoPallazzo said:

Seriously asking... what I Joe had NOT stepped down for Kamala? Dementia and all, he decided to stay for the fight. Or actually "they" let him stay for the fight. Do you think the result would have ben different?

Yes. It would be different. We'd be looking at a 57-43 senate and a +20 GOP house of representatives. Trump probably would have had a real landslide election in the EC.

Kamala lost in part because she didn't distance herself from Biden enough. His favorability is below 40% currently. 

He shouldn't have ran for a second term, like he said he wouldn't when campaigning for his first.



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EnricoPallazzo said:

Seriously asking... what I Joe had NOT stepped down for Kamala? Dementia and all, he decided to stay for the fight. Or actually "they" let him stay for the fight. Do you think the result would have ben different?

The polls said his approval rating wasn't great. But then what do polls mean nowadays. Polls have been pretty useless so far.



sc94597 said:
EricHiggin said:

And in 4 years time, if things are going poorly, you would certainly have a point.

But in 4 years time, if things have improved, why bother switching to Obama?

Well easily for the reason that the other candidate is 82 years old?

Things likely aren't going to improve. Even if Trump kept the status-quo with regards to the economy we are overdue for a recession. On average we have one every 6.5 years and its been 16 years since the last real one (the Covid pause might have staved us off a bit.) And that is without Trump's policy positions. 

Plus people like Obama more than Trump, as the favorability polls have consistently shown. 

The Dems and MSM already tried this. They said Trump would be too old to run again back then. They even tried to indirectly convince people Trump and Biden were too old during the Rep primaries but when people didn't buy it they kept backing Biden, until he finally broke live at the debate.

Things aren't going to improve? Like Trump will never win 2016? Like Trumps done since he lost 2020? Like Biden is good for a second term? Like Kamala can beat Trump?

If people like the Obama's so much, when they told them to vote for Kamala because they believed in her and stood behind her, why didn't they vote for her?

The thirteen keys which has an amazing record even predicted Kamala should definitely win which had Lichtman convinced, was even wrong.

Barack has lost a few steps already and look how much younger he is than Trump. Barack just doesn't have now what made him Prez back then.

If things weren't going so well in 4 years however, then yes, Obama could beat Trump.



EricHiggin said:
sc94597 said:

Well easily for the reason that the other candidate is 82 years old?

Things likely aren't going to improve. Even if Trump kept the status-quo with regards to the economy we are overdue for a recession. On average we have one every 6.5 years and its been 16 years since the last real one (the Covid pause might have staved us off a bit.) And that is without Trump's policy positions. 

Plus people like Obama more than Trump, as the favorability polls have consistently shown. 

The Dems and MSM already tried this. They said Trump would be too old to run again back then. They even tried to indirectly convince people Trump and Biden were too old during the Rep primaries but when people didn't buy it they kept backing Biden, until he finally broke live at the debate.

Things aren't going to improve? Like Trump will never win 2016? Like Trumps done since he lost 2020? Like Biden is good for a second term? Like Kamala can beat Trump?

If people like the Obama's so much, when they told them to vote for Kamala because they believed in her and stood behind her, why didn't they vote for her?

The thirteen keys which has an amazing record even predicted Kamala should definitely win which had Lichtman convinced, was even wrong.

Barack has lost a few steps already and look how much younger he is than Trump. Barack just doesn't have now what made him Prez back then.

If things weren't going so well in 4 years however, then yes, Obama could beat Trump.

I am sorry 82 years is too old to start a presidential term. Biden has shown us that in how quickly he declined in the last four years. 

No offense, but the second paragraph is non-sequitur. Trump's ability to win elections despite people underestimating him has nothing to do with whether or not the global economy will improve in the next four years. You come off as a true believer making these leaps and if there is anything I've learned in the last 10 years you can't talk true believers out of their delusions about the guy. 

You still aren't getting the point made about how endorsing a candidate and being the person making the endorsement aren't the same? Why didn't Kari Lake win any of her races despite Trump endorsing her? People do like the Obamas. It is a measured fact. Their favorabilities hover in the mid to high 50's and drop down to the high 40's during tense campaign events. That is the best record for any national political entity since the start of this century. And again, I say that as somebody who voted against Obama in 2012 and who is luke-warm about him. 



sc94597 said:
EricHiggin said:

The Dems and MSM already tried this. They said Trump would be too old to run again back then. They even tried to indirectly convince people Trump and Biden were too old during the Rep primaries but when people didn't buy it they kept backing Biden, until he finally broke live at the debate.

Things aren't going to improve? Like Trump will never win 2016? Like Trumps done since he lost 2020? Like Biden is good for a second term? Like Kamala can beat Trump?

If people like the Obama's so much, when they told them to vote for Kamala because they believed in her and stood behind her, why didn't they vote for her?

The thirteen keys which has an amazing record even predicted Kamala should definitely win which had Lichtman convinced, was even wrong.

Barack has lost a few steps already and look how much younger he is than Trump. Barack just doesn't have now what made him Prez back then.

If things weren't going so well in 4 years however, then yes, Obama could beat Trump.

I am sorry 82 years is too old to start a presidential term. Biden has shown us that in how quickly he declined in the last four years. 

No offense, but the second paragraph is non-sequitur. Trump's ability to win elections despite people underestimating him has nothing to do with whether or not the global economy will improve in the next four years. You come off as a true believer making these leaps and if there is anything I've learned in the last 10 years you can't talk true believers out of their delusions about the guy. 

You still aren't getting the point made about how endorsing a candidate and being the person making the endorsement aren't the same? Why didn't Kari Lake win any of her races despite Trump endorsing her? People do like the Obamas. It is a measured fact. Their favorabilities hover in the mid to high 50's and drop down to the high 40's during tense campaign events. That is the best record for any national political entity since the start of this century. And again, I say that as somebody who voted against Obama in 2012 and who is luke-warm about him. 

Trump and Biden were said to be too old in 2020, yet that wasn't a problem apparently. Trump was said to be too old after 2020, yet here he is in 2024, after being shot for running. Does the weak, tired, 'old man' clearly have PTSD?

Kari Lake isn't running for President. She's also running in Arizona. How was Arizona's 2020 election? How's the counting going now? Done yet?

Then yours don't count either because it's not 2008 or 2012, it would be 2028, it would be the first time a third term was possible for a long time now, and Obama ain't the same. How accurate are any of the numbers or ratings period? How low were Trumps numbers in 2020 and how did he somehow win 2024 then?

Again, sorry, but:

In 4 years time, if things are going poorly, you would certainly have a point.

In 4 years time, if things have improved, why bother switching to Obama?



The economy will either rebound or it won't, but likely it doesn't in terms of affordability. The same trends that exist today will exist in 4 years, quite probably even worse, the stock market and jobs rate is technically "very good" right now. Stock market has largely been hitting highs all through Biden's term. The economy on a technical level today is "good", the problem is average joes don't feel that way and the price of everything has gone up.

The part about inflation no one wants to talk about is you need a recession (and a really bad one) if you want prices to go down. No company is going to lower their prices because XYZ is president, they have their own shareholders to appease, so potato chips are going to stay expensive for a bag, eating at McDonalds is going to stay $15+ per person, grocery prices will remain sky high, etc. etc. Those high prices make for sweet, sweet high profit margins. 

When they say "inflation is coming down!" all that means is the rate of additional inflation is coming down, it doesn't mean the prices of things are getting cheaper, just they are increasing more slowly.

In 4 years we'll have a Democratic president again if people are still fed up by general unaffordability of things, as the incumbent party (Republicans) will then get blamed for not fixing it. Think the next Dem candidate will be Gavin Newsom as the Dems won't run another woman for a long time.

It sucks for people who would like to see a woman in that spot, but the fact is the Democrats are 3 for 3 out of the last 3 elections and overall 5 for 7 overall going back to Bill Clinton with male candidates at the top of the ticket. Those are pretty high win rates. 

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