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Tico on 25 June 2024
Soundwave said:

Except ... they do? Real Madrid pays outrageous salaries to their players. Equating the "staff" like trainers at Real Madrid is like talking about the janitor or window cleaners that works at Insomnaic ... they don't develop the games. The "staff" at game studios like designers/producers/programmers/artists are more like *players*. 

Some examples:

Makelele wanted more money “because I am the best midfielder and I should be paid as such.” And they showed him the door.

Vicente del Bosque wanted more money “because I am a five-star coach and I should be paid as such.” And they showed him the door.

Camacho and Zidane left but not because of money, but because of opinions incompatible with those of the president.



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zeldaring on 25 June 2024
Soundwave said:
zeldaring said:

We have leaked data from Sony clearly showing what the  development cost and it was  89 million. 

 

I've seen more detailed breakdowns

This includes costs of things like post game patches too, you can see there an almost $500k charge for what is presumably a patch on Sept. 1st 2021 period. This is a much more detailed breakdown of the costs, as I've said you can see why Sony is scared of $300-$400 million dollar budgets in their internal memos. 
Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing Dev+Marketing
GTA6 2025 Edinburgh 600 500 1,100
COD 2022 CA mainly 143 300 3 700 200 500
Spiderman 2 2023 California 135 308 6 380 188 35 343
C2077 2020 Warsaw 41 174 8 530 142 316
TLOU II 2020 California 157 220 5 300 220+
Horizon FW 2022 Amsterdam 141 212 7 200 212+
GoW Ragnorak 2022 California 133 200 5 300 200+
Starfield 2023 Austin 133 200 6 250 200+
C2077 PL 2023 Warsaw 67 104 3 514 22 126
Immortals of A 2023 California 142 85 6 100 40 125
Spiderman MM 2020 California 82 29 25 107
RC Rift Apart 2021 California 81 8 14 95
Alan Wake II 2023 Espoo 55 5 22 77
Lords of Fallen 2023 Warsaw 105 42 8 50 19 66
Ghost of Tsushima 2020 Washington 63 60 6 160 60+

Crazy that spiderman 2 is the highest budget game of all time lol.  


Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev Cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing Dev+Marketing
GTA5 2013 Edinburgh 95 137 4 360 128 265
Spiderman 2018 California 140 45 18 185
Destiny 2014 Washington 93 140 5 300 140+
Shadow of Tomb R 2018 Cali/Montreal 93 75 4 400 35 110
Watch Dogs 2014 Montreal 34 68 4 500 68+
Witcher 3 2015 Warsaw 38 32 3.5 240 35 67
Crysis 3 2013 Frankfurt 300 66 2 100 66+
Control 2019 Espoo 57 36 3 210 10 46
RC PS4 2016 California 14

Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev Cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing
COD MW2 2009 California 138 50 3 120 150
GTA4 2008 Edinburgh 78 100 4 320
Dead Space 2 2011 California 133 60 3 150 60
Halo 2 2004 Washington 133 40 3 100 80
Skyrim 2011 Austin 212 85 4 100 15
GT5 2010 Tokyo 67 60 6 150
Halo 3 2007 Washington 83 30 3 120 30
Heavy Rain 2010 Paris 55 22 4 100 30
Killzone 2 2009 Amsterdam 67 50 4 120
Gears 3 2011 Maryland 80 48 4 150
God of War 3 2010 California 83 44 4 132
Lost Planet 2008 Osaka 50 20 4 100 20
Uncharted 2 2009 California 40 20 2.5 200
AC 2007 Montreal 20 3
Witcher 2 2011 Warsaw 15 10 4 170


Soundwave on 25 June 2024
zeldaring said:
Soundwave said:

I've seen more detailed breakdowns

This includes costs of things like post game patches too, you can see there an almost $500k charge for what is presumably a patch on Sept. 1st 2021 period. This is a much more detailed breakdown of the costs, as I've said you can see why Sony is scared of $300-$400 million dollar budgets in their internal memos. 
Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing Dev+Marketing
GTA6 2025 Edinburgh 600 500 1,100
COD 2022 CA mainly 143 300 3 700 200 500
Spiderman 2 2023 California 135 308 6 380 188 35 343
C2077 2020 Warsaw 41 174 8 530 142 316
TLOU II 2020 California 157 220 5 300 220+
Horizon FW 2022 Amsterdam 141 212 7 200 212+
GoW Ragnorak 2022 California 133 200 5 300 200+
Starfield 2023 Austin 133 200 6 250 200+
C2077 PL 2023 Warsaw 67 104 3 514 22 126
Immortals of A 2023 California 142 85 6 100 40 125
Spiderman MM 2020 California 82 29 25 107
RC Rift Apart 2021 California 81 8 14 95
Alan Wake II 2023 Espoo 55 5 22 77
Lords of Fallen 2023 Warsaw 105 42 8 50 19 66
Ghost of Tsushima 2020 Washington 63 60 6 160 60+

Crazy that spiderman 2 is the highest budget game of all time lol.  


Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev Cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing Dev+Marketing
GTA5 2013 Edinburgh 95 137 4 360 128 265
Spiderman 2018 California 140 45 18 185
Destiny 2014 Washington 93 140 5 300 140+
Shadow of Tomb R 2018 Cali/Montreal 93 75 4 400 35 110
Watch Dogs 2014 Montreal 34 68 4 500 68+
Witcher 3 2015 Warsaw 38 32 3.5 240 35 67
Crysis 3 2013 Frankfurt 300 66 2 100 66+
Control 2019 Espoo 57 36 3 210 10 46
RC PS4 2016 California 14

Title Year Location Dev Rate Dev Cost Years Peak FTE COGS Marketing
COD MW2 2009 California 138 50 3 120 150
GTA4 2008 Edinburgh 78 100 4 320
Dead Space 2 2011 California 133 60 3 150 60
Halo 2 2004 Washington 133 40 3 100 80
Skyrim 2011 Austin 212 85 4 100 15
GT5 2010 Tokyo 67 60 6 150
Halo 3 2007 Washington 83 30 3 120 30
Heavy Rain 2010 Paris 55 22 4 100 30
Killzone 2 2009 Amsterdam 67 50 4 120
Gears 3 2011 Maryland 80 48 4 150
God of War 3 2010 California 83 44 4 132
Lost Planet 2008 Osaka 50 20 4 100 20
Uncharted 2 2009 California 40 20 2.5 200
AC 2007 Montreal 20 3
Witcher 2 2011 Warsaw 15 10 4 170

Think that GTA6 number is off too, that number will be $2 billion for development + marketing. 

That's the other problem, these people are all in the same industry and they talk. If I'm a talented employee at Insomniac, odds are if someone doing my job on GTA6 is getting paid 2x-3x more and I feel I'm better than them ... well of course I'm going to ask for a raise eventually too. 

That Starfield number is low too I think, it was supposed to cost $200 million originally, but ended up at $400 million:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/starfield-budget-started-at-200m-final-estimate-at-400m-and-500-devs.1660457/

The next Elder Scrolls game will probably double this to $800+ million. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 25 June 2024

hellobion2 on 27 June 2024

I think we will see many games like this but not on the switch but the switch 2 in a few years.



BiON!@ 

Norion on 27 June 2024

Oh a ton of threads suddenly have a new post? I wonder who it could be.