have fun waiting till next generation

Perhaps it is too big to be one game, but square could drop the silly side quests, mini games and card games.  FF7 has a lot of fluff that is completely unnecessary.

Ah, I thought I was in the Famitsu thread, I was talking about the 262k number.

Yeah it's too early to say anything about worldwide numbers. The first japanese week is bad no matter how you look at it however and 50% is generous for the region.

I still don't agree with it as they are seemingly coming up with excuses to why it's over 3 (or more) games that to me are just superficial excuses. People supported them saying "it's how they originally wanted to make the game", like limitations of the era somehow hindered the idea that they were adding extra bullcrap story beats, pointless side missions or "hunt missions".

There is an odd thing with the idea of taking a story then splitting it up, with LotRs, they took the story and then made it into 3 films, they omitted a lot of the original books but still added some to make more sense for film going audience. It was also a book to a tv adaption. This isn't, it's a single game to 3 or more games, the story is done and contained in the same medium they are adapting it to and so in order to extend what was a self contained story already they've had to add more for it to fit. 

For me, it's not really a turn based is better than action based, each game fits it's style. The issue for me is turn (or more specifically ATB based) Final Fantasy. I think FF losing the ATB (and no, mashing square until you can do an ability is not the ATB) lost a part of what made Final Fantasy Final Fantasy. 

But they didn't need development. They were minor characters for a reason, their existence was for character development and motivation for Barret and the fate of sector 7 was meant to spur on the characters. Far too many characters survived that incident from the remake, most of sector 7 should be dead, Avalanche included.

It's only too big because they adding to much filler. 4 hour 'opening' story extended to 40 hours. The original FF7 outside of prehaps a little distractions with Golden Saucer or Chocobo Racing (which is really just end game stuff) was basically all story, this was the same for most older FF games. FF7R was mostly filler or not needed side quests that added nothing to the original story or the plot, so much so they had to change the story for FF7R so it isn't FF7 to make it work.

The best feedback I've heard from any review or critique of FF7R was Dunkey where he pointed out that all the best bits of FF7R were pulled directly from FF7 yet all the rest of the (frankly) terrible additions were all the new bits. Did we need do do hunt missions? Did we need to do battle simulations for Chadley? Did we need to have a minigame to get past that bloody robot hand when in the original it was not important in the slightest and could be run past in a second?

Most of what they added to FF7R, as A203D said, might have made it what FF7R is but it was so pointless and useless it wasn't actually needed.

I played the demo for FF7Rebirth and while doing the flashback, you know all I could think? It's that why am I hovering up mako instead of having a random battle? I'd take a random battle over this bullshit mini game any day.

There is no doubt modern games have far too much filler and random crap. FF7 remake literally has cloud chasing down cats..... horizon is filled with worthless collectibles. I cannot explain why developers force their games to be 2x as long as needed. Just focus on the actual game and move on. FF7 could easily be 2 games, 3 is a bit absurd.

It definitely should have been a ~ 20h RPG like Chrono Trigger or The Last Story instead. Some of the additions were cool (Jessie, Wall Market) while others (second time in the Sewers/Hojo's lab) were not, to put it mildly.

89% fall of physical sales in the UK after the first week. Doesn't seem likely that word of mouth is helping this game much. I think the JRPG whilst a vocal crowd simply isn't much bigger than 10 million people on Playstation platforms. I can see why Sony will never make one.

Hojo's lab fuckin sucks. 

These launch numbers bring tears to my eyes!

Perhaps... FF8 and FF9 had card games and FF10 went on to have Blizball. Theres a few minigames in previous games, but they have got a lot in FF7 Rebirth. An RPG of this scale was always going to have a lot of fluff content.

If you don't like it you just have to skip it and focus on the main story.