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Soundwave said:

The problem with FF7 Remake isn't that it's three games, it would likely have taken them 8-9 years to remake the entire 3 game trilogy at the current quality, the problem is they didn't embrace the Switch, XBox, and PC platforms as well. Yes, you would have to tweak things a bit for Switch, but ultimately you need to have a high roof of userbase to do the 3 game anthology thing, not doing that was a mistake that probably is costing them 2.5-3 million copies per installment. 

SE seems to be like a crack addict, in that they are addicted to making deals with only Sony (most of the time), which ends up involving the deal to ignore the other platforms until a year or so has passed. They then see the sales not being as great as predicted and throw a hissy fit, promise to sell to the other platforms for like a game or two, get happy with the results, but then go straight back to Sony (just like we're seeing with Rebirth and 16).

If SE want to bloat their projects and make their predicted bank, they need to stop ignoring the other platforms and start selling to all of them day 1, because the short term Sony deals are not making up for the losses over the long-term. I stopped buying from SE, because I got fed up of waiting years for a PC port, seeing them ask for the same high price, despite the time that had passed, and the PC port not being stellar as other Japanese companies have been putting out.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

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Just speaking personally, but there's a different level of hype. The "Remake" was something that was hyped and teased since like... before the PS3 I think? So we'd been waiting for a while. And, it was also at the beginning of the pandemic era when I had little else to do. By now, we've already had a taste, so it's not going to have that same initial hype.

I'll definitely buy this at some point, but it's not something I need to have right now. Maybe the sales curve will just be different.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 15 March 2024

Chazore said:

If SE want to bloat their projects and make their predicted bank, they need to stop ignoring the other platforms and start selling to all of them day 1, because the short term Sony deals are not making up for the losses over the long-term. I stopped buying from SE, because I got fed up of waiting years for a PC port, seeing them ask for the same high price, despite the time that had passed, and the PC port not being stellar as other Japanese companies have been putting out.

Who said they are not? Do you have any idea how much SE is making in these deals? Or what their internal projections for sales profits were?

Since they are publicly traded, the director board would have been fired a long time ago if that were the case. While SE is mismanaged to various degrees (same as any other large company) the overwhelming odds is that they're like this following their exclusivity deals:



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Chazore said:

If SE want to bloat their projects and make their predicted bank, they need to stop ignoring the other platforms and start selling to all of them day 1, because the short term Sony deals are not making up for the losses over the long-term. I stopped buying from SE, because I got fed up of waiting years for a PC port, seeing them ask for the same high price, despite the time that had passed, and the PC port not being stellar as other Japanese companies have been putting out.

Who said they are not? Do you have any idea how much SE is making in these deals? Or what their internal projections for sales profits were?

Since they are publicly traded, the director board would have been fired a long time ago if that were the case. While SE is mismanaged to various degrees (same as any other large company) the overwhelming odds is that they're like this following their exclusivity deals:

I believe Square-Enix does not disclose what they get for exclusivity, if they did it would have come out in the Microsoft-Activision trial as MS certainly would have used that as proof Sony also buys exclusive content and pays whatever. 

If I was a Square-Enix investor I would really want to know too. I wouldn't invest in this company with a 50 foot pole. They should be open and transparent with their investors as to what the fuck is going on. 



It's a phenomenal game. Would be sad if word of mouth doesn't help it pass 10 million eventually. They better port it to Switch 2 not long after launch, and continue making quality content until the IP returns to growth.

Final Fantasy used to be bigger than any Capcom title. Nowadays Capcom shits more successful games left right and centre and at a higher rate. FFXIV is the exception.



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Kyuu said:

It's a phenomenal game. Would be sad if word of mouth doesn't help it pass 10 million eventually. They better port it to Switch 2 not long after launch, and continue making quality content until the IP returns to growth.

Final Fantasy used to be bigger than any Capcom title. Nowadays Capcom shits more successful games left right and centre and at a higher rate. FFXIV is the exception.

They already confirmed the current plan is to keep the FF7 Remake series console exclusive to PlayStation. There's little chance that changes in the next year.

And even if it wasn't, how is Switch 2 going to run FF7 Rebirth? That would guarantee Switch 2 needs an SSD (I know Steam Deck does, but it's not a given yet for Switch 2) and the graphics would also have to be scaled down. 

I do think the console exclusivity deal and PC release window is hurting the sales, but we'll see. Part I of the Remake apparently hasn't hit 10 million units to date yet, but we'll see when Square Enix releases the numbers. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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haxxiy said:

Who said they are not? Do you have any idea how much SE is making in these deals? Or what their internal projections for sales profits were?

Since they are publicly traded, the director board would have been fired a long time ago if that were the case. While SE is mismanaged to various degrees (same as any other large company) the overwhelming odds is that they're like this following their exclusivity deals:

Their hissy fit during TR exclusivity and future non deals with MS make no sense if you go by that.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Vodacixi said:
Chrkeller said:

Agreed.  I mean a time traveling sephiroth that alters the future is just shit writing.  

Pretty much. Just like Xehanort and Sora in KH. You get to time travel! And YOU get to time travel! And YOU...!

Yeah, about that, do you guys want the bad news or the good news first?

Soundwave said:

I believe Square-Enix does not disclose what they get for exclusivity, if they did it would have come out in the Microsoft-Activision trial as MS certainly would have used that as proof Sony also buys exclusive content and pays whatever. 

If I was a Square-Enix investor I would really want to know too. I wouldn't invest in this company with a 50 foot pole. They should be open and transparent with their investors as to what the fuck is going on. 

They do have annual shareholders' meetings and IR management as these companies do. It's the dirty peasants like us that don't get all the info.

Chazore said:

Their hissy fit during TR exclusivity and future non deals with MS make no sense if you go by that.

SE made off like a bandit with ROTR exclusivity money. It paid for the entire development and the 11 million+ it went on to sell were just the icing on the cake. Had MS come with the same deal again for SOTR they would have taken it in a heartbeat.



 

 

 

 

 

RedKingXIII said:
The Fury said:

"Just play the original".  Isn't that the issue?

I shouldn't be going back to the original to get the feeling I want from a remake of one of my favourite games ever, I should want to buy and play this version. You can make a world you can walk around and explore without taking away from the original game's story, gameplay, premise and feel. I feel this has failed at all of these, different gameplay, different combat, different magic system, different story. Only things remain the same are characters and location.

Hardly seems worth while remaking a game if you aren't actually going to remake it, might as well just use their resources and time and make another in the mainline FF series. A stand alone FF game, with the combat and magic system like FF7R has, I might have been well into it but sadly it wasn't that, it was meant to be FF7.

The funny thing is it's not even a remake of the original. It's a sequel of Advent Children. The whole Sephiroth going back in time to alter the timeline thing is so fucking stupid. I'm not sure why they did that or who asked for it but honestly I hated it.

Spoiler!
It is. Remake and sequel at the same time. That is kinda a spoiler btw.


Xxain said:
RedKingXIII said:

The funny thing is it's not even a remake of the original. It's a sequel of Advent Children. The whole Sephiroth going back in time to alter the timeline thing is so fucking stupid. I'm not sure why they did that or who asked for it but honestly I hated it.

Spoiler!
It is. Remake and sequel at the same time. That is kinda a spoiler btw.

I'm not too sure we need to talk inside spoilers since it's a 4 year old game and we are on a thread about its sequel, but all right.

Spoiler!
You can call it what you like, but it doesn't change what I said. The whole time travel thing is stupid. It shouldn't be in the game. No one asked for it. I hated it.