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Mar1217 said:
Valdney said:

Switch is the most successful console  of all time. That is not an opinion.

Well technically, will be in Japan at least. Globally it isn't so sure it'll surpass the PS2. 

Nonetheless, a run marathon of legends !

I think profits should be the best metric used to measure the success of the consoles. 

The Nintendo Switch made ten times more profits than the PS2, nearly three times more than the PS4, and more than the NDS+WII. 



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LGBTDBZBBQ said:
Mar1217 said:

Well technically, will be in Japan at least. Globally it isn't so sure it'll surpass the PS2. 

Nonetheless, a run marathon of legends !

I think profits should be the best metric used to measure the success of the consoles. 

The Nintendo Switch made ten times more profits than the PS2, nearly three times more than the PS4, and more than the NDS+WII. 

There is no possible way to know this. You have no way of separating PS2 costs and profits from PS1/PSP/PS3/Vita R&D, Cost and losses/profits. 



Zippy6 said:
LGBTDBZBBQ said:

I think profits should be the best metric used to measure the success of the consoles. 

The Nintendo Switch made ten times more profits than the PS2, nearly three times more than the PS4, and more than the NDS+WII. 

There is no possible way to know this. You have no way of separating PS2 costs and profits from PS1/PSP/PS3/Vita R&D, Cost and losses/profits. 

Just take a look at the graph below and tell me which part of the gaming era is the most profitable.



LGBTDBZBBQ said:

Just take a look at the graph below and tell me which part of the gaming era is the most profitable.

Yep, exactly like I said. You are taking the financials for the entire gaming division. The statement of "Switch made ten times more profits than the PS2" is impossible to backup. I'm not denying Nintendo profits are far higher in the Switch era than the profits of PlayStation during that time. We cannot put a figure on how much profit the PS2 made because it is lumped in with the profits and losses and R&D costs of all their other consoles.



LGBTDBZBBQ said:
Zippy6 said:

There is no possible way to know this. You have no way of separating PS2 costs and profits from PS1/PSP/PS3/Vita R&D, Cost and losses/profits. 

Just take a look at the graph below and tell me which part of the gaming era is the most profitable.

I find it really cool to see how Nintendo's profits are dropping by. Its peak is 21/3 at ~635,000 M Yen, then drops ~-6% in 22/3 to ~596,000 M Yen, and drops ~-15% in 23/3 to ~506,000 M Yen. It is a very steady and calm dropping compared to the Wii/DS era which dropped ~-18% from its peak, and then ~-60% the following year. Just goes to show the power of the Switch, and showcases that it has some long legs if Nintendo decides to keep it alive. I expect around a ~-20% to ~400M Yen in 24/3 for Nintendo.



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Switch: 160 million (was 120 million, then 140 million, then 150 million)

PS5: 130 million (was 124 million)

Xbox Series X/S: 54 million (was 60 million, then 57 million)

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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Something can simultaneously be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre if none of those previous years being discussed were strong.

Nope. Mediocre by definition is "average, mean" so the best can't be mediocre. You can at most say that it isn't impressive compared to Switch or PS5 WW sale and even that would be still non-sense since first Switch doesn't directly compete or is really 1:1 comparable to PS5 and the split of WW sales and Japan for PS have been like that for several generations now.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#:~:text=%3A%20of%20moderate%20or%20low%20quality,performance%20%3A%20ordinary%2C%20so%2Dso

“of moderate or low quality, value, ability or performance

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre#

“Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate”

“Not satisfactory; poor; inferior”

I don’t see any contradiction with the definition of mediocre and what my previous post says. Something can absolutely be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope. Mediocre by definition is "average, mean" so the best can't be mediocre. You can at most say that it isn't impressive compared to Switch or PS5 WW sale and even that would be still non-sense since first Switch doesn't directly compete or is really 1:1 comparable to PS5 and the split of WW sales and Japan for PS have been like that for several generations now.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#:~:text=%3A%20of%20moderate%20or%20low%20quality,performance%20%3A%20ordinary%2C%20so%2Dso

“of moderate or low quality, value, ability or performance

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre#

“Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate”

“Not satisfactory; poor; inferior”

I don’t see any contradiction with the definition of mediocre and what my previous post says. Something can absolutely be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre.

It's just like Xbox sales have been the best in a decade, but they are still totally awful.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope. Mediocre by definition is "average, mean" so the best can't be mediocre. You can at most say that it isn't impressive compared to Switch or PS5 WW sale and even that would be still non-sense since first Switch doesn't directly compete or is really 1:1 comparable to PS5 and the split of WW sales and Japan for PS have been like that for several generations now.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#:~:text=%3A%20of%20moderate%20or%20low%20quality,performance%20%3A%20ordinary%2C%20so%2Dso

“of moderate or low quality, value, ability or performance

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre#

“Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate”

“Not satisfactory; poor; inferior”

I don’t see any contradiction with the definition of mediocre and what my previous post says. Something can absolutely be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre.

Yes, and you get it is low of quality, value or performance because you compare to something it isn't directly comparable to, hope to have helped. God help us if anyone calls Switch a mediocre system.



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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#:~:text=%3A%20of%20moderate%20or%20low%20quality,performance%20%3A%20ordinary%2C%20so%2Dso

“of moderate or low quality, value, ability or performance

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre#

“Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate”

“Not satisfactory; poor; inferior”

I don’t see any contradiction with the definition of mediocre and what my previous post says. Something can absolutely be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre.

Yes, and you get it is low of quality, value or performance because you compare to something it isn't directly comparable to, hope to have helped. God help us if anyone calls Switch a mediocre system.

No I described as mediocre due to the software performance, you can't just look at the hardware. Basically hardware good, software bad leading to mediocre overall. That's not hard to understand. It literally has worst software sales than WiiU, how is that excusable. You are obsessed with Switch I see, so please tell me how Switch would be mediocre without telling me something subjective? There is nothing subjective about selling less software than WiiU and being considered poor performance. On the other hand, Switch is the 3rd highest selling platform in hardware history and like 3rd or 4th in software (think PS2, PS4, and PS1 are still above it). Two of those platforms Switch smoked in hardware and I doubt PS1 stays ahead in software, even PS2 doesn't look out of reach but PS4 I think is way too high software wise. Switch is likely the most profitable system in history and maybe PS2 and PS4 have made more revenue. In what way is Switch's global performance comparable to PS5's performance in Japan? 



DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mediocre#:~:text=%3A%20of%20moderate%20or%20low%20quality,performance%20%3A%20ordinary%2C%20so%2Dso

“of moderate or low quality, value, ability or performance

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mediocre#

“Of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate”

“Not satisfactory; poor; inferior”

I don’t see any contradiction with the definition of mediocre and what my previous post says. Something can absolutely be the best year in x amount of years and be mediocre.

Yes, and you get it is low of quality, value or performance because you compare to something it isn't directly comparable to, hope to have helped. God help us if anyone calls Switch a mediocre system.

I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Switch, to be clear, I never even mentioned PS5 in any of my comments. I was not agreeing or disagreeing that it did mediocre, I was just disagreeing with your statement that, “best in 20 years year automatically means it did well”.

If my business lost money $1 million over the last 20 years and this year I made a $1 profit, I still didn’t have a good year just because it was the better than the last 20.

If a boxer gets knocked out in the first round in 20 straight fights and then makes it to the 2nd round before getting knocked in fight 21, they still didn’t do well despite doing better.



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