Game of All Time | |||
| Pong | 4 | 3.92% | |
| Space Invaders | 2 | 1.96% | |
| The Legend of Zelda | 6 | 5.88% | |
| Super Mario Bros. 3 | 4 | 3.92% | |
| Final Fantasy VII | 17 | 16.67% | |
| Ocarina of Time | 19 | 18.63% | |
| Resident Evil 4 | 13 | 12.75% | |
| Super Mario Galaxy | 8 | 7.84% | |
| The Last of Us | 6 | 5.88% | |
| Breath of the Wild | 23 | 22.55% | |
| Total: | 102 | ||
This always comes down to what people put stock in. Is it innovation, or evolution? Me personally, I always put more weight behind the games that blazed the trail, because it's far more impressive to create something out of nothing than it is to refine what is already there. Plus, without a table to sit at, there can be no proper feast.
I've very much enjoyed this series of polls, even if the majority of my favourites didn't end up winning.
For this final poll, I am of course voting for FF7. I think the game is about as close to perfection as a game can get. Story, characters, gameplay, artstyle, and music all combine into one beloved masterpiece. Add the FF7's impact on the industry in its popularisation of RPGs in the West, cementing the dominance of PlayStation home consoles, and arguably being the world's first "AAA" game (and being that in a non-toxic way), and I think you have a clear GOAT.
I'll rank the list of games presented too:
1. Final Fantasy VII
2. The Last of Us
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5. Super Mario Bros 3
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
7. Resident Evil 4
8. The Legend of Zelda
9. Space Invaders
10. Pong
Ocarina of Time is a timeless classic. Certified GOAT.
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I have been visiting vgc every day to participate in these polls. Thank you liquid for doing such excellent work. I’ve never seen anything this professional and efficient for game ranking over the decades. I was able to relive a year of my life almost everyday this last month or two. You have my deepest gratitude.
Gotta be a Zelda for me! LTTP isn't there, so I'll go for the original.
Persona 4 is my top 1, but botw is my vote in the poll just because is my top 2
My runner up from these options is a tough call between Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Galaxy, and Ocarina of Time.
All three are masterpieces that showed just how magical gaming can be when they focus on the joy of interacting with a virtual world.
Ultimately I gotta go with Galaxy, as there are still a few tiny things I could critique about Ocarina or BOTW, while Galaxy is practically flawless.
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Wow(!), three-way battle. I’d imagine either OoT or BotW would be the easy victor if they weren’t splitting each others votes.
| firebush03 said: Wow(!), three-way battle. I’d imagine either OoT or BotW would be the easy victor if they weren’t splitting each others votes. |
With 6 great titles to choose from on the Nintendo side, FF7 is actually managing to keep up.
8 out of 10 are from Japan... Does nobody else make great games lol.
Good battle, poor Space Invaders, no votes. It's been a long time since we had a Space Invaders game. Infinity gene was quite good.
My favorite game of all time is neither an option nor from any of those earlier decades. It's The Last of Us Part II. Speaking of, I just now saw this thread after following the example of others and writing about my favorite games from the 2020s at some length back on the 2010s thread, so you force me to repeat myself! *sighs* Oh well, here comes the copy/paste from the relevant part of my post on that thread.
People here by now will know that The Last of Us Part II is my favorite video game not just of the 2020s, but of all time, and the fact is that it's only become more so with the passage of time. The margin by which that's the case is getting wider, not smaller. Specifically, real-world events in recent months have added an entirely new salience to the fact that the game was made to be primarily a commentary on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. (A simple fact that, upon acknowledgment, instantly demolishes the idiotic accusations of "wokeness" that detractors all but invariably lob at this game. By now we know exactly what wokeness looks like in the context of that conflict. It looks something like this, or like this. What I call wokeness is, to sum that up, a vengeful, racist, hate-driven worldview in its own right that does not at all reflect the heart and soul of this game that is about testing, and ideally moving beyond, the natural boundaries of one's empathy.)
TLOU2 is an extremely polarizing game. In fact, by many metrics, it appears to have been the most controversial video game of all time. Over on the Metacritic user reviews, for example, it's amassed both the most positive reviews of any video game in their catalogue and also the most negative ones, both by an exponential margin. Not so many middling takes, by contrast. People feel strongly about this game; more so than probably any other game ever made. The main thing that separates the lovers from the haters though seems to be the question of whether video games should give us what we want...or what we need. Does a game need to be generally enjoyable to impact you more than anything else ever has before? Most of The Last of Us Part II is a miserable slog, on purpose. It's not miserable because the developers didn't care what they were making, it's miserable for a reason: because it's an honest game about hate, and hate, and its consequences, are not fun. To be on either end of.
Before I get to that though I guess first I should touch on Part II's structure. I don't really want to spend a lot of time discussing the design of this game because it's generally similar to that of the original, but I do want to take a moment to point out that Part II was originally going to be an open world game mostly taking place in Jackson, but ultimately had to be streamlined to establish the best possible pacing of events. That's the exact opposite of the decision-making process we typically see in this medium today. So many open world games today are clearly only designed that way so that they'll sell better, not because they work better as a result. In short, Naughty Dog did not sell out. Where so many games today start you out on a linear training ground before opening up access to most everything, this one almost reverses that template, reserving an open world area as a kind of breather section toward the start of the game before tightening things back up to escalate tension, and adrenaline. In this way, it flows like a good book, launching with a strong attention-getting opening chapter before pressing on to a main body that creates waxing and waning degrees of conflict, seeming to breathe at an variety of different paces but in general escalating over time, before finally advancing to a thought-provoking conclusion that leaves you wanting to go through the whole experience again because so much has been put in a new perspective along the way. The addition of flashbacks to the main game here are the best new design addition. By adding in more context steadily and at the right points in time, Part II continually changes the player's perspective on events and deepens their connection to the characters who define it. This is a huge part of what separates it from Part I in emotional resonance for me and establishes it as the overall superior entry.
But now let's get to what you're really here for: the story discussion. I'll just spoiler tag that.
You know what, if you're reading this part of the post, you've almost certainly played the game before and know the basics of the story already, so I won't waste your time excessively describing the story. Instead, I'm going to devote this section to describing how I read some of its themes and what I've found most compelling about it:
Ellie is this game's main character, at least as gauged by the amount of time we spend involved in her story, and the overarching challenge she struggles with is a real mental illness called survivor guilt. She never really got over surviving the loss of Riley through her immunity in the first game and, while not suicidal (per se), has ever since felt that she has no right to live anymore. She says at the end of the first game that she's "waiting for [her] turn" to sacrifice her life for someone else like Riley did for her...and so when she forces Joel to reveal the truth about the events at the hospital years later, it drastically exacerbates her sense of guilt for living. I mean quite literally it is the case here that the whole world is cursed because she exists. And yet ending her life now wouldn't make a difference. How would that knowledge make you feel? For some time thereafter, she hates Joel because, at the root, she hates herself. And so when she decides later on that she wants to try to forgive Joel for taking her choice away from her, in many ways it's also her starting down a path toward forgiving herself. She's decided that she wants to try and see the value in herself that Joel does. Then the very next day Joel is murdered...because she survived the hospital. And no one else can know that she's the reason. That development catastrophically disrupts her personal recovery process. She has no guide back to a sense of worth anymore. She needs some kind of closure very, very badly and burying Joel ain't gonna cut it. Ellie makes selfish decisions, but she is not a selfish person. She's someone who is at the end of herself, trying to find herself. What lessons will she learn from Joel? His love? Or his bitterness, distrust, and hate?
I've played through this game quite a few times now and it's the ending that I've rethought the most. Early on, I used to imagine a happy ending for Ellie being hinted at because that's what I wanted to imagine. The more times I see and experience those final moments of the game though, the more I recognize that as baseless, wishful thinking and that Ellie is, in reality, just arriving back from Santa Barbara and is walking off in the game's final seconds into an uncertain future, alone. As open as I like to posit myself as being, back in 2020, I couldn't really handle that being the case because...ya know, there's a lot of Ellie in me and her worst fear, like mine, is winding up alone in the world. And yet exactly that situation is the note on which her journey concludes, her ultimate fate undecided. Her favorite band's set list hints at her narrative progression over the course of the game. The possibilities for her future though are also hinted at...in Abby's story. Unlike Ellie, Abby manages to get her desired revenge, but, discovering that it doesn't offer her the closure she seeks, winds up feeling compelled to go down a new path driven by empathy that her father, she genuinely believes, would be proud of.
It's interesting to me that, given Ellie's sense of guilt over surviving things others didn't, that she'd wind up paired with someone who "like[s] coming from a long line of survivors". Dina is someone who also offers Ellie the drive to go on. She's my favorite character in the game, along with her approximate analogy in Abby's storyline, Owen. "What kind of psycho picks Joel's corpse over [Dina, Jesse Jr. and the farmhouse]" in the end, one critic has opined. Someone clearly suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder is the answer. Much like how Abby spends years choosing vengeance over the love Owen wants to give her, Ellie too loses the ability to believe that her new life at the farmhouse can offer her closure, as we see in her journal entries. Ellie's loss of her relationship with Dina hits very close to home for me, as someone who has often struggled to find someone willing to deal with all my own mental-emotional baggage.
Maybe I empathize more with Ellie's pathos than I should. Most people like Abby a lot better in this game because she emerges, by some metrics, as the better person by the game's conclusion. I'm often sympathetic to villainous characters in games and other media though because you kinda know they're going to lose in the end and everybody's rooting for them to. Losers love villains I guess because, in that way, you might say we relate to them, or at least to their fate. (Try not to cut yourself on this EDGE!) Rarely though do games dare to present the world from their perspective and insist that we experience it for ourselves, and when they bother it's typically only within a narrative set-up that presents them as clearly the lesser of two evils that are in conflict. Ellie is not the lesser evil here. But perhaps she deserves sympathy anyway.
As I neared the end of my first playthrough, I kept anticipating a resolution between Ellie and Abby. Perhaps even Ellie would be persuaded to join the Fireflies. I kind of appreciate that the game opts against that kind of a simple, comforting conclusion and instead chooses a more plausible one. It may not be as consoling, but one thing is for sure: the creators of this game are not bullshitting you about the consequences of your actions. And that lack of bullshit only makes things like the visit to the museum of natural history, the date at the aquarium, and the farmhouse (my favorite scenes in the game) feel even more impactful than they otherwise might. I'm getting married in February (you'll never guess the date 
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Many games, and lots of other media as well, offer us lectures against hate. This game offers a story about the reasons people choose hate over love, about the complex journey out of the illusion that it brings healing and toward a different path. It forces us to experience the suffering of Ellie and Abby and others and to do many things we don't want to do in order that we might feel conflicted, torn between our compassion for these characters and our compassion for others until finally it all begins blurring together and we ourselves see that we all need to forgive. Forgive both others and ourselves. Is that fun? No, its hard and it's painful! But it's worth it. And for conveying that with more power and earnestness than any other video game in existence, I regard The Last of Us Part II as the best video game ever made. Here's to the upcoming remaster!
Anyway, like others, I'll say thanks to The Liquid Laser for these fun reminiscing threads! They've engaged me more than anything else here has in like forever now. 
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