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Switch 2 is out! How you classify?

Terribly outdated! 3 5.26%
 
Outdated 1 1.75%
 
Slightly outdated 14 24.56%
 
On point 31 54.39%
 
High tech! 7 12.28%
 
A mixed bag 1 1.75%
 
Total:57
curl-6 said:
HoloDust said:

Yeah, DF are bit off comparing it to stock PS4 - even with its anemic texture fill rate and memory bandwidth, Switch 2 is ahead of PS4 in pretty much everything comparable, let alone when tech that PS4 doesn't have is accounted for.

That said, I can see why they chose "curb your enthusiasm" path for now, instead of going unhinged with wild comparisons (like some fans tend to, since Wii U onward).

I mean it kinda goes both ways, for every over-zealous fan proclaiming the Switch 2 is a handheld PS5, you have a lot of widespread misinformation like the notion that Switch 1 was on par or even weaker than PS3/360, or that Switch 2 is on par with a base PS4.

Reality falls somewhere in the middle.

Very true - that said, unless there is really something hiding in Switch 2 that is unknown (and thus far nothing indicates that), this is quite well known tech with performance that is not that difficult to estimate.



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HoloDust said:
curl-6 said:

I mean it kinda goes both ways, for every over-zealous fan proclaiming the Switch 2 is a handheld PS5, you have a lot of widespread misinformation like the notion that Switch 1 was on par or even weaker than PS3/360, or that Switch 2 is on par with a base PS4.

Reality falls somewhere in the middle.

Very true - that said, unless there is really something hiding in Switch 2 that is unknown (and thus far nothing indicates that), this is quite well known tech with performance that is not that difficult to estimate.

I don't expect there's any big secrets. That doesn't mean there's not room for misinformation though; the Switch 1 used a vanilla Tegra X1, yet to this day the myth that it was on par with PS3/360 persists.



The Steam Deck can play PS5/XSS-only games like Spider-Man 2, Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart, Tekken 8, Starfield, and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth ... if the Switch 2 is more capable hardware than that (and/or the end result is better because devs can optimize specifically for it) ... then that really should have been the comparable all along. Who cares about the PS4, it can't play any of the above mentioned games.



curl-6 said:
HoloDust said:

Very true - that said, unless there is really something hiding in Switch 2 that is unknown (and thus far nothing indicates that), this is quite well known tech with performance that is not that difficult to estimate.

I don't expect there's any big secrets. That doesn't mean there's not room for misinformation though; the Switch 1 used a vanilla Tegra X1, yet to this day the myth that it was on par with PS3/360 persists.

I have to be honest, I don't know about that myth, since specs and architecture of Switch 1 is way above PS360.

If anything, it was WiiU that was compared to PS360, not without a reason.



HoloDust said:
curl-6 said:

I don't expect there's any big secrets. That doesn't mean there's not room for misinformation though; the Switch 1 used a vanilla Tegra X1, yet to this day the myth that it was on par with PS3/360 persists.

I have to be honest, I don't know about that myth, since specs and architecture of Switch 1 is way above PS360.

If anything, it was WiiU that was compared to PS360, not without a reason.

In my experience it's a fairly common notion on online spaces like gaming forums that Switch was basically a PS3/360. Heck, it's been said even here on VGChartz quite a few times that I can remember. 

It's nonsense, but since when has that stopped people.



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curl-6 said:
EricHiggin said:

I'm not arguing that the SW2 SKU they've revealed is too expensive. It's borderline. I'm saying it would be beneficial to have another dedicated home console SKU for considerably cheaper.

Unless of course Nin is hoping some of those consumers will just get a SW1 instead, or that those who may have to wait for years to save up, will just have to wait. If I were Nin, I'd want to make sure SW2 takes off like SW1 and has every reason to keep up that momentum, with as little controversy as possible, like an earlier than expected price cut, but that's just me.

Early adopters tend to be enthusiasts who aren't bothered by price and just want the cool new console.

The time for cheaper SKUs like the inevitable Lite model will be later down the line once the initial rush is over.

curl-6 said:
EricHiggin said:

That sounds a lot like greed to me, but that's just me.

It's just how the console business works. Unless your platform is a disaster, you're going to sell everything you ship initially anyway, so there's less reason to have a cut price version from day 1.

I don't remember Nin doing business like that with SW1, and the hype around it was pretty huge.  



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
curl-6 said:

Early adopters tend to be enthusiasts who aren't bothered by price and just want the cool new console.

The time for cheaper SKUs like the inevitable Lite model will be later down the line once the initial rush is over.

curl-6 said:

It's just how the console business works. Unless your platform is a disaster, you're going to sell everything you ship initially anyway, so there's less reason to have a cut price version from day 1.

I don't remember Nin doing business like that with SW1, and the hype around it was pretty huge.  

Switch 1 at launch cost the same as a PS4, and it didn't get a cheaper model until more than two years into its life.



160rmf said:
JRPGfan said:

"Nintendo annual gross profit for 2024 was $6.585B, a 0.5% increase from 2023."

Yes they can pay their workers, and still pocket a fair bit, each year.


"and at the same time companies need to be profitable, they're not charities and they need to pay their employees and continue to exist." ???

^ Multiple billions of US dollars every year? Common, Nintendo isn't some small cheap company at the breaking point or anywhere near it.
This reads very weirdly.

Where do you think these profits go?

Answer: Investments, specially now that they need to increse their powerhouse as developing is getting more complex.

Expanding the company: creating more studios to allocate new employees.

Expanding the brand: releasing new stores across the globe, thematic parks, movies, etc...

Everything that I listed you could see in the news recently, the only company expanding while everyone were closing studios, firing teams and/or crashing in bankrupcy. So they are not holding all that cash for bragging material.

What I am saying is they are going big bc what are we seeing for now is a huge step, bigger than what they did with BOTW/TOTK and they are not willing to lose part of their business and employees like the others companies, so they are in need for those financial resources

Keeping the core company intact and healthy is admirable, can't deny that, but at least when it comes to the die hard Nin gamers, would they rather that extra money Nin is asking for now go to theme parks, movies, etc, or just more games? Or would those gamers rather have no theme parks, no movies, no extra games (beyond the norm), with lower gaming pricing? Maybe that's poll worthy perhaps?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

curl-6 said:
EricHiggin said:
curl-6 said:

It's just how the console business works. Unless your platform is a disaster, you're going to sell everything you ship initially anyway, so there's less reason to have a cut price version from day 1.

I don't remember Nin doing business like that with SW1, and the hype around it was pretty huge.  

Switch 1 at launch cost the same as a PS4, and it didn't get a cheaper model until more than two years into its life.

Same as PS4 in early 2017, $299, but PS4 launched late 2013 for $399, with lower mid tier hardware (minus the CPU).

You don't think Nin could've charged more at launch? You think Nin was worried about potentially weak sales initially?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
curl-6 said:

Switch 1 at launch cost the same as a PS4, and it didn't get a cheaper model until more than two years into its life.

Same as PS4 in early 2017, $299, but PS4 launched late 2013 for $399.

You don't think Nin could've charged more at launch? You think Nin was worried about potentially weak sales initially?

$300 in 2017 dollars is $391 today, so Switch 2 is really not much more expensive adjusting for inflation.