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Switch 2 is out! How you classify?

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Soundwave said:
Otter said:

As I said instead of GCKs, Nintendo should have delivered storage card options for full game cards to be installed from catridge. If you can find cheap 64GB catridges for $5 as a consumer, Nintendo could obviously get it for much cheaper. Probably $1-2 per cartridge. 




From where exactly? You do understand Switch 2 cartridges are significantly faster than Switch 1 cartridges so they will cost more. Just as SD Express Cards cost more than regular slower SD Cards. 

Same way you used to be able to buy a 4TB drive for dirt cheap on PS4 because it could use shit ass slow pre-SSD drives. You can't do that anymore, the speed costs money. 

Likely Nintendo is only ordering 64GB sizes because if they start doing other sizes you don't save any money, it may even cost more money for a bespoke size like 16GB or something because that won't be mass produced in enough quantity to likely get the same price. Likely at 64GB, it cuts back on production complexity so Nintendo can get the price possible price at that size. 

These things are not that simple. 

What is even the fucking point of using cartridges in this way anyhow (to just dump the data onto the internal storage)? Like you're not even using the cartridge at all ... at that point what freaking difference does it make whether the data you transfer into your internal storage is from a cartridge or the internet? It makes no damn difference. It's not even a time saver when you consider digital games can be pre-loaded before release or release at 12:01 or whatever so you can have them loaded and be able to play rather than that waiting until the next day for the store to open at 9 AM or for it to ship from Amazon. 

I honestly think you've lost grasp of this topic. If you don't care about preservation of physical media, thats totally fine. Why is it so hard for you to understand that other people do? You're happy with digital (so am I frankly), that doesn't negate other peoples very valid concerns. All this hollering and hooting won't remove those concerns lol

Edit: Specifcally responding to your question about the difference. Not needing the internet to play a game.  Not being held hostage to whether a game is still provided on storefronts/servers etc. Ability to play games pre-patch. Recently in fact patches made several PS5 Pro games worse and the only way to play them with their OG performance/image quality was to play without the patch installed. 


Last edited by Otter - on 09 September 2025

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Otter said:
Soundwave said:

From where exactly? You do understand Switch 2 cartridges are significantly faster than Switch 1 cartridges so they will cost more. Just as SD Express Cards cost more than regular slower SD Cards. 

Same way you used to be able to buy a 4TB drive for dirt cheap on PS4 because it could use shit ass slow pre-SSD drives. You can't do that anymore, the speed costs money. 

Likely Nintendo is only ordering 64GB sizes because if they start doing other sizes you don't save any money, it may even cost more money for a bespoke size like 16GB or something because that won't be mass produced in enough quantity to likely get the same price. Likely at 64GB, it cuts back on production complexity so Nintendo can get the price possible price at that size. 

These things are not that simple. 

I feel like I've spoken on this several times and the point has been missed. I'm talking cheap/slow cards where the game is installed onto internal storage. Just as discs work in modern gaming. 64Gb micro SD etc can be bought for very cheap. Developers spend no more than $1, Physical fans get a truly functional form of physical media and not a glorified download code.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156464203075?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5337997207&toolid=20006&customid=

Is this not essentially a glorified Game Key Card then? 

Like what is the point of this, you can't play the games off that card, so it's essentially a meaningless piece of plastic.

Why would you want to pay even $5 for that versus 75 cents for a Game Key Card cost. That's not $1 anyway. 

If this is the supposed "great option", I can see why Nintendo just passed on this as its stupid. You would just create a problem where people would be asking "why can't I just run the game from the cartridge then? So this is just a fake cartridge then basically?".



Soundwave said:
Otter said:

I feel like I've spoken on this several times and the point has been missed. I'm talking cheap/slow cards where the game is installed onto internal storage. Just as discs work in modern gaming. 64Gb micro SD etc can be bought for very cheap. Developers spend no more than $1, Physical fans get a truly functional form of physical media and not a glorified download code.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156464203075?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5337997207&toolid=20006&customid=

Is this not essentially a glorified Game Key Card then? 

Like what is the point of this, you can't play the games off that card, so it's essentially a meaningless piece of plastic.

Why would you want to pay even $5 for that versus 75 cents for a Game Key Card cost. That's not $1 anyway. 

If this is the supposed "great option", I can see why Nintendo just passed on this as its stupid. You would just create a problem where people would be asking "why can't I just run the game from the cartridge then? So this is just a fake cartridge then basically?".

I updated my prior post for clarity on the difference.

It's not $1 but that is a consumer facing price, of course Nintendo/publishers could go notably lower.

Do you also think physical games on PS5/Series X are stupid and just the same as gamekeycards because they require installs. Again it seems like you're actually just not interested in the topic of game preservation and just here to tell people to get over it. Your energy could be better spent elsewhere 



Otter said:
Soundwave said:

Is this not essentially a glorified Game Key Card then? 

Like what is the point of this, you can't play the games off that card, so it's essentially a meaningless piece of plastic.

Why would you want to pay even $5 for that versus 75 cents for a Game Key Card cost. That's not $1 anyway. 

If this is the supposed "great option", I can see why Nintendo just passed on this as its stupid. You would just create a problem where people would be asking "why can't I just run the game from the cartridge then? So this is just a fake cartridge then basically?".

I updated my prior post for clarity on the difference.

It's not $1 but that is a consumer facing price, of course Nintendo/publishers could go notably lower.

Do you also think physical games on PS5/Series X are stupid and just the same as gamekeycards because they require installs. Again it seems like you're actually just not interested in the topic of game preservation and just here to tell people to get over it. Your energy could be better spent elsewhere 

Essentially yes I think those are stupid too. But at least game discs cost only 5 cents to print, even at a mass product price, you probably cannot get any kind of cartridge storage option for Nintendo that would be under $4-$5. 

You're not even "preserving" anything, like the full game is not on those discs, it pretty much never is lol. The whole situation is stupid.

The Playstation 6 Portable or whatever is not even going to have cartridges period like Steam Deck they're going to go all digital. 



Soundwave said:
Otter said:

I updated my prior post for clarity on the difference.

It's not $1 but that is a consumer facing price, of course Nintendo/publishers could go notably lower.

Do you also think physical games on PS5/Series X are stupid and just the same as gamekeycards because they require installs. Again it seems like you're actually just not interested in the topic of game preservation and just here to tell people to get over it. Your energy could be better spent elsewhere 

Essentially yes I think those are stupid too. But at least game discs cost only 5 cents to print, even at a mass product price, you probably cannot get any kind of cartridge storage option for Nintendo that would be under $4-$5. 

You're not even "preserving" anything, like the full game is not on those discs, it pretty much never is lol. The whole situation is stupid.

The Playstation 6 Portable or whatever is not even going to have cartridges period like Steam Deck they're going to go all digital. 

I would say the vast majority of the time the "full game" is in fact on the disc. You won't have patches or DLC but I wouldn't consider those things essential to experience something like Expedition 33 in 20 years. But I'm glad we've got to the bottom of your arguments, you just don't care. I think I'm happy to leave the Game Card Key topic alone now as it's veering away from actual spec discussion. 



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Otter said:
Soundwave said:

Essentially yes I think those are stupid too. But at least game discs cost only 5 cents to print, even at a mass product price, you probably cannot get any kind of cartridge storage option for Nintendo that would be under $4-$5. 

You're not even "preserving" anything, like the full game is not on those discs, it pretty much never is lol. The whole situation is stupid.

The Playstation 6 Portable or whatever is not even going to have cartridges period like Steam Deck they're going to go all digital. 

I would say the vast majority of the time the "full game" is in fact on the disc. You won't have patches or DLC but I wouldn't consider those things essential to experience something like Expedition 33 in 20 years. But I'm glad we've got to the bottom of your arguments, you just don't care. I think I'm happy to leave the Game Card Key topic alone now as it's veering away from actual spec discussion. 

If you're using game formats (disc or cartridge) to effectively not even play games from but just to dump data onto internal storage, then really the purpose of the media is rendered moot to begin with. That's essentially, basically (gasp!) a Key Card. 

Also what is magically different about data on a disc versus data downloaded from an internet connection? There is no difference, if you want to rip the core game's data for "preservation" it doesn't matter if it's from a cartridge or disc or downloaded from the internet. That's not dependant on a disk or cartridge though. There's not special or magic data in a cartridge or Blu-Ray disc version of a game versus a digital download of a game, I'm pretty sure virtually every major PC game is ripped and dumped onto the internet. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 09 September 2025

Soundwave said:

Essentially yes I think those are stupid too. But at least game discs cost only 5 cents to print, even at a mass product price, you probably cannot get any kind of cartridge storage option for Nintendo that would be under $4-$5.

You're not even "preserving" anything, like the full game is not on those discs, it pretty much never is lol. The whole situation is stupid.

The Playstation 6 Portable or whatever is not even going to have cartridges period like Steam Deck they're going to go all digital.

Most of the discs on PS4/PS5 actually have the full 1.0 version of games on them, and you don't need to download anything to play.

Game key cards don't have any data on them and you have to download the games from Nintendo servers.

For the whole preservation angle that's not the same thing.

Soundwave said:

If you're using game formats (disc or cartridge) to effectively not even play games from but just to dump data onto internal storage, then really the purpose of the media is rendered moot to begin with. That's essentially, basically (gasp!) a Key Card. 

Also what is magically different about data on a disc versus data downloaded from an internet connection? There is no difference, if you want to rip the core game's data for "preservation" it doesn't matter if it's from a cartridge or disc or downloaded from the internet. That's not dependant on a disk or cartridge though. There's not special or magic data in a cartridge or Blu-Ray disc version of a game versus a digital download of a game, I'm pretty sure virtually every major PC game is ripped and dumped onto the internet. 

The point of having the whole game on cartridge is to not depend on Nintendo servers to play anything in the future, because they won't be available forever. 



 

If fucking Marvelous of all publishers can afford to put their games on actual carts, so can Ubisoft, Square Enix, Capcom and Bandai Namco. Specially with games that are full price on S2 despite having already been developed and only needed a quick port. There is no excuse.



Vodacixi said:

If fucking Marvelous of all publishers can afford to put their games on actual carts, so can Ubisoft, Square Enix, Capcom and Bandai Namco. Specially with games that are full price on S2 despite having already been developed and only needed a quick port. There is no excuse.

There's a $10 upcharge on Marvelous' "Switch 2" game which is basically a Switch 1 game, that $10 surcharge is likely to cover some of the cartridge upcharge, so you are paying it. 



RedKingXIII said:
Soundwave said:

Essentially yes I think those are stupid too. But at least game discs cost only 5 cents to print, even at a mass product price, you probably cannot get any kind of cartridge storage option for Nintendo that would be under $4-$5.

You're not even "preserving" anything, like the full game is not on those discs, it pretty much never is lol. The whole situation is stupid.

The Playstation 6 Portable or whatever is not even going to have cartridges period like Steam Deck they're going to go all digital.

Most of the discs on PS4/PS5 actually have the full 1.0 version of games on them, and you don't need to download anything to play.

Game key cards don't have any data on them and you have to download the games from Nintendo servers.

For the whole preservation angle that's not the same thing.

Soundwave said:

If you're using game formats (disc or cartridge) to effectively not even play games from but just to dump data onto internal storage, then really the purpose of the media is rendered moot to begin with. That's essentially, basically (gasp!) a Key Card. 

Also what is magically different about data on a disc versus data downloaded from an internet connection? There is no difference, if you want to rip the core game's data for "preservation" it doesn't matter if it's from a cartridge or disc or downloaded from the internet. That's not dependant on a disk or cartridge though. There's not special or magic data in a cartridge or Blu-Ray disc version of a game versus a digital download of a game, I'm pretty sure virtually every major PC game is ripped and dumped onto the internet. 

The point of having the whole game on cartridge is to not depend on Nintendo servers to play anything in the future, because they won't be available forever. 

For "preservationists" they can dump ROMs and keep them circulating forever, you think PC games just vanish because they're not on a physical format? Virtually every big PC game is ripped onto the internet. Data is data, it's not more special if its on a cartridge or disc or the same exact data is downloaded over an internet connection. 

And we are never going to have optical discs on a portable again (so long PSP), so that setup is tenable because the discs cost nothing. It's not a "conspiraceeee!" of Nintendo trying to screw anyone over, the fact is cartridges just cost a lot more than discs. Nothing can be done to change that fact. Nintendo should know that better than anyone, the only reason Sony even has a marketshare in the business is because Nintendo got fucked on cartridges vs discs about 30 years ago and their traditional console business was effectively stolen by Playstation.