Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:
Mario Kart World looks great on the Switch 2 screen, far better looking than any Switch 1 game, the two Zeldas (BOTW and TOTK) also immediately look better as well due to the resolution increase, and so does Super Mario Odyssey, and that's just the few games I tried. I don't think most people will notice ghosting at all, this is a nothing burger of the 10th degree, I've heard lots of people compliment the display if anything which is hilarious. And that's not even getting into things like significant frame rate/performance improvements for a lot of games also, the Switch 2 is the best version of the Switch 1 even with the current display. |
There is more to visuals than just resolution.
Yes the Switch 2 panel is higher resolution, higher refresh rate... We have already touched on that.
I own a Switch 2 and I own a Switch OLED. I literally have them side by side and difference is massive.
Whether it matters to you or not is definitely personal prefernce, but there is a massive downgrade from the OLED to the LCD in terms of colour and contrasts, which makes darker looking games look washed out... Add poor pixel response time and you get additional blur.
The OLED panel was just crisp and clean.
Soundwave said:
Also funny here that devices like the Steam Deck and ROG Ally can have significantly less than 2 hours even. But if you don't have that then a battery pack is easy enough put into a back pack, again it's not like devices like the Steam Deck can run Cyberpunk 2077 at 40 fps with significantly better battery either. The Switch 2 having a significantly larger screen also makes table top mode in general more usable. I'd much rather have a Switch 2 on a flight than a Switch 1 (OLED or otherwise) and that gap is only going to get worse for the Switch 1 as the Switch 2 gets more and more games that the Switch 1 simply doesn't have like DK Bananza and Final Fantasy VII Remake and Elden Ring and etc. etc. etc. |
I don't like the fact any device gets just a couple of hours.
Rog Ally included.
Don't take me as an apologetic here, if I level a criticism against one device, it applies to all devices.
Switch OLED is better for flights due to it's longer battery life, it's also just a smaller and more portable machine, it's also cheaper.
DK Bananza and Final Fantasy VII isn't out yet, making them irrelevant points, they may end up being bad games (Unlikely).
Soundwave said:
A $900 ROG Ally X gets barely moderately better performance than a Switch 2, not much better, a Switch 2 destroys a Switch 1 Lite. If the $900 ROG Ally X is such a great deal, how come it has sales numbers that would make a Wii U go "holy shit, that's bad". Obviously the value proposition for what that device provides is not evident to people. |
The Rog Ally is offering better performance than the Switch 2.
The number of sales is irrelevant for PC Handhelds.
PC Handhelds doesn't require mass-market appeal to get games and make them financially viable, Rog Ally had one of the largest games libraries in the world on the day of it's release, drawing on almost half a centuries worth of games on day 1.
However we also need to remember that ASUS builds a brand-based ecosystem, you buy an Asus motherboard, you likely have an Asus Monitor, paired up with Asus networking gear, paired up with Asus peripherals, paired up with an Asus Graphics card... And maybe you might buy an Asus Laptop, Phone, Tablet and/or handheld.
Thus devices like the Asus ROG Ally doesn't need 100+ million sales to do it's job, if it locks a couple million of customers into Asus ecosystem, it pays for itself.
..And that's the difference here. Ecosystem, not platform.
Asus doesn't make money off software, it makes money off hardware. Brand is everything for hardware.
Soundwave said:
Pointing out the Switch 2 is way, way, way thinner than a Steam Deck or ROG Ally is a fair comment, see the double standards here? Any time a point is made (valid) that is in the Switch 2's favor it's immediately downplayed by the same folks, if the situation was reversed I'd pretty a pretty penny you'd be blowing a mountain of hot air about how the ROG Ally or Steam Deck is sooooo much thinner than the Switch 2 and how Nintendo cheaped out with a fat brick of a console and this and that. |
Being thinner is the status-quo, the Switch OLED was thinner than PC handhelds as well... And the Switch OLED and Switch 2 have the same thickness for the most part.
But you *had* to pair it up with the portability factor... And that is where the Switch OLED beats the Switch 2, it's a smaller device.
That's not double standards I am afraid. I never claimed a PC handheld was a better handheld than the Switch 2 or Switch OLED.
Soundwave said:
There are not many OLED displays mass produced in the 7-10 inch range and certainly not many in budget devices. There may be in the 6 inch size because those panels are made for phones in developing markets, but go into the tablet market and that pricing changes radically. Samsung makes AMOLED tablets for example but they are all pricey compared to their budget tablets. Again where was all the crying over Valve charging $150 more for the Steam Deck OLED? That's not a "just a few bucks more". That's a significant price increase. Pretty much all OLED tablets are expensive relative to the budget ones and OLEDs are extremely rare in the PC hybrid market, out of like 15 different models, there's like 1 (Steam Deck OLED) that has OLED, the rest are all LCD. If OLED is soooooo cheap, why isn't it being used by anyone else in the handheld hybrid space, where is the OLED display on Sony's PS5 controller w/screen device too (that's $200 for just a controller with a screen strapped on, no hardware behind it). |
It doesn't have to be OLED for the Switch 2. It's the preference to be OLED.
It just needs to be better than what we have.
Even a VA Panel would have been a better choice, which is price competitive with IPS, which I elaborated upon in my previous post (Did you even read it? Or just go on a tangent again?) which would have provided the best contrasts you can get for an LCD... Place many VA panels have some brilliant colour output, especially with a polarizer.
But unfortunately without zoned LED backlights on the LCD panel, you aren't ever getting true 10-bit or 12-bit HDR.
Soundwave said:
For people who want that a Switch 2 OLED, you'll get it, and you can pay $600 for it too. Simple as that. Don't come crying when that happens because this is industry standard for OLED devices of virtually any kind over a certain size. Apple's OLED iPads that they only released after like 10 years of people asking for them still cost several hundreds of dollars more than their regular LCD iPads, Samsung's OLED tablets cost hundreds more than their comparable LCD variants, Steam Deck OLED costs $150 more. Very large OLED displays in tablet size devices (7+ inches) is still fairly rare and where they do exist they tend to be expensive. Clearly there is a significant pricing premium over LCD displays for OLED panels especially as you get out of the few sizes that are used for smartphones only. |
I will get a Switch 2 OLED on day 1. Just like I got the Switch 2 LCD on day 1... And this mimics the previous generation where I got the Switch 1 LCD on launch and the Switch 1 OLED on launch... And then I can give the old models the flick.
OLED is great, I would bathe in OLED panels if I could.
I personally don't care about the price of hardware... It's a long term investment, which is why I never use price of the hardware in my arguments of justifying one device over another, I am happy to pay extra for better quality if given the choice. (Hence why I own the Switch OLED over the LCD)
..Unlike yourself... You can't proclaim that the Switch 2 being cheaper than the Rog Ally is the sole justification of buying the Switch 2, when the Switch OLED is in turn cheaper than the Switch 2.
..The pricing argument tends to fall into circular-logic hypocrisy when analyzed at a high level.
Soundwave said:
All you can do is laugh. Not to mention the Switch 2 screen has much better color saturation, colors pop much better on the display than the "faded" washed out look the Switch V1 and Switch Lite screen output. Black levels are also significantly better on the Switch 2 screen, brightness obviously is better too. That's not even getting into the fact that's it a higher resolution display as well. |
Anyone who says that LCD has better colours than an OLED is delusional.
It's not about the vibrancy of colours, it's about how accurate each technology represents it's colour space... And OLED always wins by a landslide. |
