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KLXVER said:
Kakadu18 said:

Then I guess I'm not a Nintendo core gamer.

No, Im sure you are. Its just how could you NOT want the Wii U enough to play games like DKC: Tropical Freeze, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Captain Toad, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Yoshis Woolly World, Hyrule Warriors, NSMBU, Pikmin 3, Xenoblade Chronicles X etc...? Im sure you have enjoyed games from some of those franchises in the past or are curious about them. How do you just stop buying games or skip games in franchises you still enjoy?

I didn't even know the console existed until years into it's life. The 3DS had all my gaming interests covered back then. Two of these games you listed I played to death on my 3DS, Super Mario Maker for 3DS and Hyrule Warriors Legends and got Yoshi's Woolly World on 3DS later too.

The first time I heard of Splatoon was when Splatoon 2 released, same with XC, only heard of the franchise when XC2 released.

Didn't care much about DKC and never played a Pikmin game until Pikmin 3 Deluxe.

3D World right now is my least favorite 3D Mario game. I sincerely believe it's the worst of the bunch and I played through 3D Land at least 10 times. I like Bowser's Fury 10 times more.

NSMBU is doesn't manage to differentiate itself well enough from NSMBWii and I had NSMB2 on the 3DS already. I got the Deluxe version on my Switch and it's fun but not a system seller.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was my first ever Mario Kart game. And Captain Toad is not really noteworthy.

But even so, once again I never heard of the console until years after it's release and only thought it looked confusing when I saw it. So I didn't know about any of these games.

Nintendo's marketing back then was garbage with barely any reach at all. And do you notice how you mentioned most of the consoles best and biggest selling games and it's like the number of games the Switch would get in one single year?



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If they call it Super Switch. What will they call the 3rd? Super DUPER Switch?



PAOerfulone said:

If they call it Super Switch. What will they call the 3rd? Super DUPER Switch?

Switch 64



CaptainExplosion said:

I like the name Super Switch better.

Same, from my own biased perspective and on an historical one as well, calling it the Super Switch wouldn't lead to the confusion that happened in the previous generation. 

Also, if Nintendo does their marketing job right, it will not leave any confusion whatsoever.

The hypothetical Switch 2 name would bore me to tears otherwise. What an uncreative move this would be for a company like Nintendo.

KLXVER said:
PAOerfulone said:

If they call it Super Switch. What will they call the 3rd? Super DUPER Switch?

Switch 64

Can't wait for the 64 TFlops Nintendo Switch !



Switch Friend Code : 3905-6122-2909 

I think Super Switch would be better than Switch 2 because, much like Super Nintendo, it is clear to anyone with even the the slightest bit of cognition super is better.



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SuWiitcher.



Switch 2 would make the most sense and be the simplest, but doesn't seem Nintendo's style to do that. So it probably will be Super Switch or Switch Next or something like that.

Kakadu18 said:

3D World right now is my least favorite 3D Mario game. I sincerely believe it's the worst of the bunch and I played through 3D Land at least 10 times. I like Bowser's Fury 10 times more.

Random comment on this: woah! Surprising.

I just played through 3D World at...when was it... the beginning of this year I think, after years assuming it was something "less than" all the other 3D Marios because it was 3D Mario but in the 2D play style. Seemed like Nintendo just got lazy and said lets just do a linear level 2D style instead of taking the time to build big open 3D levels. But damn that game blew me away! I mean the only 3D Mario I would say it was clearly better than is Sunshine but that's just because it's the only one that isn't amazing. To me 3D World is right up there with all the amazing 3D Marios. 3D World blew away the 2D Marios for me.

The level design was just brilliant, the difficulty was good, it introduced a bunch of new stuff and had lots of variety in courses, and had a huge amount of post-game content. I would love for there to be a 3D World style Mario each gen, but given that there's already open-stage 3D Mario, 2D Mario, and Mario Maker, adding a fourth Mario platformer per system would be a bit much haha. But even if we never get another 3D World type game that is a sparkling gem in the Mario series. One of my favorite platformers of all time. Metroid Dread and 3D World are the two games I've played this gen that just blew away my expectations and went down as two of my favorite games ever in their genres.



Jumpin said:
Norion said:

It's well known that the Wii U confused a lot of people. Many were confused after its reveal at E3 2011 and those were proper gamers. If I remember right someone on this forum gifted someone a Wii U but it sat unused in a closet cause he thought it was just a Wii accessory and was wondering why Nintendo waited so long to release a new home console ki after the Wii so thought they followed the Wii up with the Switch. It wouldn't have saved the Wii U but I bet that if it was called something like the Wii 2 it would've done at least as well as the Gamecube.

E3 2011 was about a year and a half before the Wii U launch and isn’t relevant. The people who were wondering what it was found out soon after.

I wouldn’t be so credulous to believe that anecdote that sounds so absurd when applying even the most basic reasoning; for example, you can ask these questions: Why would someone buy a gaming console for a friend that not only doesn’t want it, but has never heard of it? How could the person see that box, feel its weight, and not know what it was? Who gets an expensive gift and considers it an accessory to put in the closet? 

The point is, the mass confusion you’re claiming didn’t happen—at least not any time close to the console’s launch, let alone for the entire generation. Again, we’re human beings, not capuchin monkeys… but as has been pointed out, there are flat earthers :D

Exactly. The idea that people were too stupid to figure out Wii U was a new system is just a (somewhat) popular myth used to try to explain why it did SOOOO badly. Some people just don't like to try to figure out the (obvious) actual reasons it did so poorly so they just say it was the name haha. It'd be like arguing the GC did so poorly because people couldn't tell if it was a toy cube or a video game system lol. Or saying the Virtual Boy was a failure because people thought it was a digital boy and not a video game system

I mean hell, anecdotally, I've owned every Nintendo console except the Wii U and the few times I've owned non-Nintendo systems while they were current (DC, PS2, Xbox, X360) they were very much secondary to my Nintendo system, and I never even thought about getting a Wii U.

It was just a plain bad product from a hardware design perspective. The thing it was a solution to (keep playing a game when someone else demands to use the TV) was not nearly a big enough problem for people compared to how awkward the Wii U concept was.. The product idea was so bad that it failed to interest even very Nintendo-specific gamers, like me. Wii U only interested a fraction of the core Nintendo gamer, which means it pretty much didn't pick up anyone else.

The odd flat-earther intelligence-level person who couldn't comprehend that Wii U was the successor to the Wii and refused to ever look up any information about it so as to learn what it was has absolutely nothing to do with why 85+ million people who bought a Wii didn't buy a Wii U.

If you wanted to know what the Wii U was at anytime all you had to do was type "Wii U" into google and click on a product link, or just watch videos/media from Nintendo announcing the thing or talking about it later, or just look at any news media about the Wii U, or pay any attention to the gaming industry at all.

Also the idea that people didn't know it was a new system after the Wii U E3 reveal...I just looked up that video and literally 30 seconds before announcing the name "Wii U" Reggie says its a new Nintendo system lol. And if somehow people weren't bright enough to figure it out at that point it's not like Nintendo kept the Wii U a secret after that and refused to ever talk about it again haha. No matter what the Wii U was named it would have had the same sales, give or take a few hundred.



KLXVER said:
Pemalite said:

Keep in mind that the SNES also had more competition from SEGA Mega Drive which shifted 30~ million.

The NES had that generation locked up as they were the ones that reinvigorated a dying industry.


KLXVER said:

GBA sold less than the GB

Keep in mind that the Gameboy Advance was released in 2001 and Nintendo released the DS in 2004.
So it only had 3 years to truly shine without competition or a successor.

The Gameboy on the other hand came out in 1989 and was revised in 1996 with the Gameboy Pocket and that continued with the Gameboy colour in 1998. - That family didn't stop until 2003.

So that system technically had 12 years to shine in the market.

And despite the Gameboy Advance having the impact of the DS for the majority of it's life, it still sold 81~ million units.

I think that's a fair effort for the GBA.





Yeah, the GBA did great. If it had the same life as the GB, it might have outsold it. 

As I said, sure the SNES had more competition, but in a time where console gaming was thriving. The NES had to get the whole console industry in the US out of a crash. They both had obstacles to overcome.

Fair points made on both sides. We don't know exactly what factors the Super Switch will have to contend with. We do know it will need big marketing and kick ass launch titles.



Slownenberg said:
Jumpin said:

E3 2011 was about a year and a half before the Wii U launch and isn’t relevant. The people who were wondering what it was found out soon after.

I wouldn’t be so credulous to believe that anecdote that sounds so absurd when applying even the most basic reasoning; for example, you can ask these questions: Why would someone buy a gaming console for a friend that not only doesn’t want it, but has never heard of it? How could the person see that box, feel its weight, and not know what it was? Who gets an expensive gift and considers it an accessory to put in the closet? 

The point is, the mass confusion you’re claiming didn’t happen—at least not any time close to the console’s launch, let alone for the entire generation. Again, we’re human beings, not capuchin monkeys… but as has been pointed out, there are flat earthers :D

Exactly. The idea that people were too stupid to figure out Wii U was a new system is just a (somewhat) popular myth used to try to explain why it did SOOOO badly. Some people just don't like to try to figure out the (obvious) actual reasons it did so poorly so they just say it was the name haha. It'd be like arguing the GC did so poorly because people couldn't tell if it was a toy cube or a video game system lol. Or saying the Virtual Boy was a failure because people thought it was a digital boy and not a video game system

I mean hell, anecdotally, I've owned every Nintendo console except the Wii U and the few times I've owned non-Nintendo systems while they were current (DC, PS2, Xbox, X360) they were very much secondary to my Nintendo system, and I never even thought about getting a Wii U.

It was just a plain bad product from a hardware design perspective. The thing it was a solution to (keep playing a game when someone else demands to use the TV) was not nearly a big enough problem for people compared to how awkward the Wii U concept was.. The product idea was so bad that it failed to interest even very Nintendo-specific gamers, like me. Wii U only interested a fraction of the core Nintendo gamer, which means it pretty much didn't pick up anyone else.

The odd flat-earther intelligence-level person who couldn't comprehend that Wii U was the successor to the Wii and refused to ever look up any information about it so as to learn what it was has absolutely nothing to do with why 85+ million people who bought a Wii didn't buy a Wii U.

If you wanted to know what the Wii U was at anytime all you had to do was type "Wii U" into google and click on a product link, or just watch videos/media from Nintendo announcing the thing or talking about it later, or just look at any news media about the Wii U, or pay any attention to the gaming industry at all.

Also the idea that people didn't know it was a new system after the Wii U E3 reveal...I just looked up that video and literally 30 seconds before announcing the name "Wii U" Reggie says its a new Nintendo system lol. And if somehow people weren't bright enough to figure it out at that point it's not like Nintendo kept the Wii U a secret after that and refused to ever talk about it again haha. No matter what the Wii U was named it would have had the same sales, give or take a few hundred.

Why are you acting as if people are saying it's the sole reason it failed when no one has? I literally said right there the Wii U wouldn't have been saved if it had a better name, just that it wouldn't have done quite as badly. It can be a bad product from a hardware design perspective and the marketing for it can be terrible, it's not an either or thing. You have someone in this very thread saying the first time they ever saw a Wii U they found it confusing so ignored it so imagine how people less in tune with video games would've reacted to it. 

Also for the bolded part that ignores that a lot of people who buy video game consoles won't do any of those things.