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I'm wondering where people are getting the idea the Wii won't have a long life, seriously, if Sony fans can't have the numbers on their side they've got to come up with some sort of other bird brain theory to quell their insecurities. "Oh no, the Wii is mopping the floor with the PS3, well let's not only try and convince ourselves that we're still true gaming and that Sony is a perfect company but lets also try and make some excuses as to why the Wii's victory doesn't count!" Just one sad justification after another, how far Sony fans are having to reach just to sleep at night.

And how long do you think the supply problems are honestly going to last? Just be glad the're happening in the first place to keep the gap between the PS3 and Wii from being even greater, and Sony from suffering an even greater embrassment.

The PS3 will never sell beyond 80m, maybe not even 50m, if it sells at a consistent rate as it is now it will have sold 46m in seven years. And I hate to say it but the PS3 is the only console in danger of Gamestores wouldn't have to stop accepting PS2s if there wasn't an issue here. having a very short lifespan here. It's the only console to have reported a 2 billion dollar loss and despite what you want to believe, Sony's pockets aren't even as deep as Nintendo's when it comes to loose funds.

You will not see a price drop in the PS3 for years to come, you will not see the PS3 suddenly jump to life because of two games, just pray to god it was better built than the PS2.

As for the PS2's problems its not uncommon for an individual in the states to know multiple people who have had to buy at least two PS2s if not more so I honestly don't need numbers to know the truth. Deny it all you want, but the truth is the truth and it still exists whether you have some statistics to wave in someone's face or not.



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Gameboy has not defeated the Playstation 2 in terms of sales. I think the chart combined Gameboy, with Gameboy Color sales. I don't know why, but I think that's what they did. Since the Gameboy, and Gameboy Color, are totally different portables, you cannot combine their sales, and say that they defeated the Playstation 2. Since neither of them, by themselves, sold more than the Playstation 2, the Playstation 2 is still the undefeated champion. And even if the Gameboy, or Gameboy Color, did beat the Playstation 2 in terms of sales, they are portables, not consoles, so the Playstation 2 would still be the undefeated champion of the consoles.



Gballzack said:

I'm wondering where people are getting the idea the Wii won't have a long life, seriously, if Sony fans can't have the numbers on their side they've got to come up with some sort of other bird brain theory to quell their insecurities. "Oh no, the Wii is mopping the floor with the PS3, well let's not only try and convince ourselves that we're still true gaming and that Sony is a perfect company but lets also try and make some excuses as to why the Wii's victory doesn't count!" Just one sad justification after another, how far Sony fans are having to reach just to sleep at night.

 Sigh I wish fanboys would be banned on this forum, People like you poison the good atmosphere.

Still try to reply at your questions...Why are many people getting the idea that Wii won't have a long life?

Are you really a Nintendo fan?

 If you are then you know that the life term of a Nintendo console (when Playstation one launched)
 was a lot shorter then the playstation console:

 

And how long do you think the supply problems are honestly going to last? Just be glad the're happening in the first place to keep the gap between the PS3 and Wii from being even greater, and Sony from suffering an even greater embrassment.

Really what is wrong with you? I think you had a trauma that playstation and PS2 have outsold the 
nintendo consoles. Don't you feel embarresed because of your behaviour? 
You are acting like a child of 12. Please grow up.  
I don't know how long the supply problems will last but it is not good for nintendo. 

The PS3 will never sell beyond 80m, maybe not even 50m, if it sells at a consistent rate as it is now it will have sold 46m in seven years. And I hate to say it but the PS3 is the only console in danger of Gamestores wouldn't have to stop accepting PS2s if there wasn't an issue here. having a very short lifespan here. It's the only console to have reported a 2 billion dollar loss and despite what you want to believe, Sony's pockets aren't even as deep as Nintendo's when it comes to loose funds.

Uhm they said that also about PS one and PS2.  

You will not see a price drop in the PS3 for years to come, you will not see the PS3 suddenly jump to life because of two games, just pray to god it was better built than the PS2.

Their are more than two games but I understand that a fanboy of 12 years old don't know it. 

As for the PS2's problems its not uncommon for an individual in the states to know multiple people who have had to buy at least two PS2s if not more so I honestly don't need numbers to know the truth. Deny it all you want, but the truth is the truth and it still exists whether you have some statistics to wave in someone's face or not.

 I still have my original PS2 but it is normal that it is possible that you have to buy two PS2's the console life
is so long. How many people have a telivision that holds longer than 5 year? or even a car?

And of course that more PS2's are broken than GC or an Xbox because the last two sold not so much 
as the PS2 


 I wish people like you would use their mind and not a childish behaviour.
 Really strange that you don't feel embarrased.






RolStoppable said:

Nice graph there, konnichiwa.

Did you notice how long the lifespan of a winning Nintendo console is (NES, SNES)? So why do you assume that the Wii (which is a winning console, whether you like it or not) won't last at least for 7 years?


 1. Yes I notice but then Nintendo really don't had any concurrention at that time.

2. The most people on this site don't had a Snes. The most started with an Playstation, N64.

3. It is to early to predict everything. To early to know how the market will react if they can't buy 
an game like GTA...What will wii players do? Will they buy a X360 or an PS3 for those games?

Many people say that some Xbox fans and PS fans bought an Wii but will those fans also buy an PS3 or X360 later.

The Wii is an incridible machine but will it last for years? Will Nintendo release a Wii 2 in a couple of years that can
play games like GTA 4.... I think that there will be a Wii 2 somewhere in 2010 with the same hardware like a PS3 or an X360 that they can sold for less than 300 bucks. Nintendo fans can buy 2 consoles around a periode of five years for the same price like a PS3 or an X360. Why would Nintendo not do that? Do you think they say  'We want that Wii becomes the best selling machine of all time'?






konnichiwa said:

 





I'm not sure I understand this graph correctly. Is it saying that new NES and SNES games were still being released well into 2003? If so what games, where, and to what degree?



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Arcturus said:
konnichiwa said:

 





I'm not sure I understand this graph correctly. Is it saying that new NES and SNES games were still being released well into 2003? If so what games, where, and to what degree?


 Yes I was thinking the same like you. And when is a console dead? When they say so? It is really strange that NES WAS LIVING LONGER THAN N64 WHO IS A CONSOLE OF TWO GENERATIONS LATER..






Arcturus said:
konnichiwa said:

 





I'm not sure I understand this graph correctly. Is it saying that new NES and SNES games were still being released well into 2003? If so what games, where, and to what degree?

This graph is obviously wrong. It clearly shows:
1) Dreamcast lasting into 2007
2) NES lasting well past SNES and N64
3) Xbox (proj) lasting as long as PS2(proj)

not to mention projections that start from 2005 and other things lasting into 2007 without being "projected" 



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RolStoppable said:
konnichiwa said:

Yes I was thinking the same like you. And when is a console dead? When they say so? It is really strange that NES WAS LIVING LONGER THAN N64 WHO IS A CONSOLE OF TWO GENERATIONS LATER..


The graph shows for how many years a console was being manufactured. There hasn't to be a connection to new software releases.

But it for sure is strange in some cases. For example, I doubt that Sega still manufactured Dreamcasts after 2001.

EDIT: After looking again at the chart I really don't know if it's manufactured or software support or maybe even both. Where did you get that graph?


Actually, according to NPD 1 dreamcast was sold about 3 months ago. 1UP made a point of commenting on it. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is very accurate. Also, great last post. You made all the points I wanted to, so I really have no need to make any more except a couple. Both the Wii and DS (if they have at least 6 year life spans) are positioned to EASILY pass the PS2 as long as Nintendo continues to up production on the Wii. Nintendo is a smar business company and the chances that they won't are, let's face it, none. The 80 mill and under estimaters of the Wii's sales I think are going to be in for a shock. The Wii and DS launches completely blow away the PS2 launch.

And, as for PS2 finally making it, it completely deserves it. Other than the DS the PS2 is still my favorite game system of all time.



RolStoppable said:
konnichiwa said:

1. Yes I notice but then Nintendo really don't had any concurrention at that time.

What about the headstart of the Genesis for example? It was the closest generation in history (SNES/Genesis). 

 Closest in Europe and America;..But genesis was not loved by the Japanese everybody knows that. It didn't sold 3.60 million in Japan and you call that concurention? Snes sold 17 million in Japan. 

2. The most people on this site don't had a Snes. The most started with an Playstation, N64.

There was a thread "How old are you". Most people are between 18-25 years old. I am pretty sure most of them started with SNES/Genesis, a lot of them already with NES. And then we have a bunch of "old" guys here that started with the Atari 2600. I would say that many people on this forum generally have a lot of experience/knowledge considering the history of videogames.

I am 20 ,at that time 6,7 I didn't know how the market was at that time, didn't know how good Genesis sold or bad he did or how long the lifespan was of any console. 
With Playstation,N64 launch many people went on the internet for the first time and found it out.

3. It is to early to predict everything. To early to know how the market will react if they can't buy
an game like GTA...What will wii players do? Will they buy a X360 or an PS3 for those games?

In fact it's not too early to predict the outcome of this generation, some people claim that the entire 7th generation was in Nintendo's bag since september 18th 2005, the day they revealed the Wiimote. Considering GTA, it isn't that clear what will happen, but Rockstar has to do quite a lot of work to make GTA IV appealing to casual gamers that have already played the 3 installments on the PS2. I think it's safe to say that most people won't pay 400$ or more for a console to play GTA.

GTA is only one game their are a lot of games. Like sport games. Many people want a soccer game
that looks great (Europe) and buy an Fifa game (also when gamers know PES is better). Fifa sold a lot more because non-gamers go for the visuals.

Many people say that some Xbox fans and PS fans bought an Wii but will those fans also buy an PS3 or X360 later.

Most developers are shifting their resources already to the Wii. So far those games are most of the time spinoffs of the major franchises, but once the better teams of each developer are done with their 360/PS3 projects they will probably make the next game exclusively for Wii. It would be financial suicide to ignore the Wii or only put shovelware on it.

Most people don't see a need to own a second system anyway. They choose one console for the whole generation, the one which has the best game library in their opinions, not the best graphics or the most multimedia features.

That was true in the sixth generation the visuals and the power between the two consoles was
not so special but they are now.  Developping a game for the Wii is something else then develop one for the X360 or PS3, a lot of gamers still go for the visuals I still can remember the time when Xbox launched and many people say I bought an Xbox because it haves better graphics for his games.

Developpers like Epic, God Of war, Rockstar always want to produce super visual games and especially epic games will have a port later to PC why make an exclusive to the wii with really a small market againt the PC market they want to sell their games on the PC market to, PC gamers go a lot for visuals just watch the comments of the people when they saw some footage of Crysis...Oh it looks great I will buy it... Also funny is that not first party developpers on the Wii just make a port to the PS2 (Uhm Tony Hawk Down Hill Jam) so they will have more profit and good for Sony another reason why PS2 will longer.

The Wii is an incridible machine but will it last for years?

Every console that has strong software support can last for 7+ years. The losing systems are the ones which die faster.  

Wii will have a strong software support so will PS3 and X360. 

Will Nintendo release a Wii 2 in a couple of years that can play games like GTA 4.... I think that there will be a Wii 2 somewhere in 2010 with the same hardware like a PS3 or an X360 that they can sold for less than 300 bucks.

Nintendo did not replace their losing systems (N64, GC) before 5 years were over. Why would they replace a winning system faster and start the next generation of consoles? The losing companies will always be the first, to get a headstart over the competition.

PS2 got a headstart before GC .... WAS PS one LOSING? 

Nintendo fans can buy 2 consoles around a periode of five years for the same price like a PS3 or an X360. Why would Nintendo not do that?

Because Nintendo isn't stupid. If they were, they would have made an overpowered expensive console like Microsoft and Sony. Just look at the sales charts and tell me how much processing power is worth if it comes to strong sales. 

Because the price of an proccessing power like PS3 and X360 is very expensive and both companies
have to sell it for with a lose at every unit. Probably from now and three years the PS3 and X360 will be
around 300 bucks and they don't lose anything anymore with every sale so Nintendo could launch Wii 2
with the same hardware as the other two and the same gameplay as the Wii, Wii fans would have games
like zelda, Mario, Metroid with better visuals and will have a huge fanbase that surely will go to the Wii 2.
 

Do you think they say 'We want that Wii becomes the best selling machine of all time'?

Of course. Which company wouldn't want to become their system marketleader and the best selling machine of all time? 

Ofcourse they want but damned difficult to explain...If Nintendo could launch Wii 2 and have more profit 
and more users who will flip to Wii 2 they would prefer that then be the best selling machine of all time
I think... 


 


 






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