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Forums - Sales - Famitsu Sales: Week 24, 2023 (Jun 05 - Jun 11)

kazuyamishima said:

I’m the idea that the Switch is getting sent overseas from Japan considering the low value of the Yen, considering that other markets are going back to pre-Zelda TOTK launch numbers.

But that’s just me, or something else is happening.

Lots of tourists here nowadays. They didn't check for residency or anything at all when I bought my PS5. So it is very likely. But we already knew that millions of Switches went to China's grey market, same thing for the other consoles.



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Farsala said:
kazuyamishima said:

I’m the idea that the Switch is getting sent overseas from Japan considering the low value of the Yen, considering that other markets are going back to pre-Zelda TOTK launch numbers.

But that’s just me, or something else is happening.

Lots of tourists here nowadays. They didn't check for residency or anything at all when I bought my PS5. So it is very likely. But we already knew that millions of Switches went to China's grey market, same thing for the other consoles.

For sure, and on Amazon Australia, Mexico and many more, you can now buy Japanese Switches (Amazon Japan is seller) for lower prices than the specific market, crazy!!



I know people already mentioned this multiple times here, but we should really start to question where these PS5s are going. It sold more than 40,000 this week, majority of it being normal ones not the digital edition. Digital edition is cheaper, but it's selling less despite physical PS5 software not selling at all. Why buy a console and not buy games for it.
1. People don't know that the digital edition exists
2. Digital edition is limited in stock
3. They're still being bought by scalpers and placed in storage unused
4. Exported to overseas like China
5. Players only playing 1 game
6. Players only playing free to play live-service
7. People want the normal one in case they want a physical copy, but mainly buy digital
8. Used for interior design not for games
9. Bought the hardware since it was high on demand, but no games to play yet
10. Famitsu is lying about PS5 sales, or software sales

However, even looking at the official fiscal reports we can see that software sales have been really poor despite great hardware sales. Most of the revenue comes from add-on content like DLC, microtransaction, etc. About 65% of software sales were digital. So I conclude that most points on the list are probably correct. People just aren't interested in buying games on the PS5 and they're enjoying f2p games. No wonder Sony is pushing for more live-service games.



Shatts said:

I know people already mentioned this multiple times here, but we should really start to question where these PS5s are going. It sold more than 40,000 this week, majority of it being normal ones not the digital edition. Digital edition is cheaper, but it's selling less despite physical PS5 software not selling at all. Why buy a console and not buy games for it.
1. People don't know that the digital edition exists
2. Digital edition is limited in stock
3. They're still being bought by scalpers and placed in storage unused
4. Exported to overseas like China
5. Players only playing 1 game
6. Players only playing free to play live-service
7. People want the normal one in case they want a physical copy, but mainly buy digital
8. Used for interior design not for games
9. Bought the hardware since it was high on demand, but no games to play yet
10. Famitsu is lying about PS5 sales, or software sales

However, even looking at the official fiscal reports we can see that software sales have been really poor despite great hardware sales. Most of the revenue comes from add-on content like DLC, microtransaction, etc. About 65% of software sales were digital. So I conclude that most points on the list are probably correct. People just aren't interested in buying games on the PS5 and they're enjoying f2p games. No wonder Sony is pushing for more live-service games.

2,5,7 apply to me.

I didn't find any DE. I bought Street Fighter 6 only. I buy mainly digital. FF to be bought on Friday.



Yeah the post-shortage boom for PS5 shouldn't be taken as the new normal, that was 2 years of pent up demand being released all at once.
What we're seeing now is much closer to the historical performance of the last two PS home consoles in Japan.

kazuyamishima said:

I’m the idea that the Switch is getting sent overseas from Japan considering the low value of the Yen, considering that other markets are going back to pre-Zelda TOTK launch numbers.

But that’s just me, or something else is happening.

I'm a bit skeptical of this; why would it happen now all of a sudden? If people really wanted a cheap Switch, they can get one quite easily without having to import from a foreign country.

I admit, what's happening now is highly irregular and doesn't seem to fit normal sales patterns, but I don't feel like this can explain it.



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curl-6 said:
kazuyamishima said:

I’m the idea that the Switch is getting sent overseas from Japan considering the low value of the Yen, considering that other markets are going back to pre-Zelda TOTK launch numbers.

But that’s just me, or something else is happening.

I'm a bit skeptical of this; why would it happen now all of a sudden? If people really wanted a cheap Switch, they can get one quite easily without having to import from a foreign country.

I admit, what's happening now is highly irregular and doesn't seem to fit normal sales patterns, but I don't feel like this can explain it.

I am not aware of sales data from other markets that show a return to pre-Zelda numbers, because outside of Spain there are no weekly numbers. It would be quite the reach to extrapolate based on Spain alone.

Aside from this, Switch saw an increase of merely 16k units over previous weeks, that's just 20%. An upgrade to an OLED model - which is the dominant Switch SKU in the charts - didn't necessarily have to happen alongside the purchase of Tears of the Kingdom. A huge game like it might have just been the reason to renew interest in Switch as a whole for several thousand people, so they upgraded to an OLED model afterwards because they intend to play games beyond Zelda.

There's no reason to engage in wild speculation that adds variables outside of the Japanese market based on this single week we are looking at here. If sales drop back to ~85k next week, then this week was nothing more than an outlier.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

RolStoppable said:
curl-6 said:

I'm a bit skeptical of this; why would it happen now all of a sudden? If people really wanted a cheap Switch, they can get one quite easily without having to import from a foreign country.

I admit, what's happening now is highly irregular and doesn't seem to fit normal sales patterns, but I don't feel like this can explain it.

I am not aware of sales data from other markets that show a return to pre-Zelda numbers, because outside of Spain there are no weekly numbers. It would be quite the reach to extrapolate based on Spain alone.

Aside from this, Switch saw an increase of merely 16k units over previous weeks, that's just 20%. An upgrade to an OLED model - which is the dominant Switch SKU in the charts - didn't necessarily have to happen alongside the purchase of Tears of the Kingdom. A huge game like it might have just been the reason to renew interest in Switch as a whole for several thousand people, so they upgraded to an OLED model afterwards because they intend to play games beyond Zelda.

There's no reason to engage in wild speculation that adds variables outside of the Japanese market based on this single week we are looking at here. If sales drop back to ~85k next week, then this week was nothing more than an outlier.

Yeah, I think a lot of people are overlooking this effect. It’s not just an increase in those who are hyped on Zelda itself, but the idea that it’s still “safe” to buy a Switch because there is top-tier software still arriving. I think we are witnessing the benefits of Nintendo only having one system to develop for, and as a result, I believe that the company is sitting on games that are already largely finished - possibly big ones, too... like a new Mario and a DK game.

This is why the idea of Switch dying quickly after its successor releases isn’t likely either. Switch 2 is going to be fairly expensive - to the point that we’re hearing it might even debut with an LCD screen at first, possibly to keep costs down. So Nintendo is going to want a cheaper product to coexist with its new system. This is where we will see official price cuts on all Switch models, with Switch Lite likely at $149 by then.

So still plenty of sales left in Switch and plenty of money Nintendo can make off of it, even though its big teams have already moved on to the new hardware.



archbrix said:

Yeah, I think a lot of people are overlooking this effect. It’s not just an increase in those who are hyped on Zelda itself, but the idea that it’s still “safe” to buy a Switch because there is top-tier software still arriving. I think we are witnessing the benefits of Nintendo only having one system to develop for, and as a result, I believe that the company is sitting on games that are already largely finished - possibly big ones, too... like a new Mario and a DK game.

This is why the idea of Switch dying quickly after its successor releases isn’t likely either. Switch 2 is going to be fairly expensive - to the point that we’re hearing it might even debut with an LCD screen at first, possibly to keep costs down. So Nintendo is going to want a cheaper product to coexist with its new system. This is where we will see official price cuts on all Switch models, with Switch Lite likely at $149 by then.

So still plenty of sales left in Switch and plenty of money Nintendo can make off of it, even though its big teams have already moved on to the new hardware.

Only issue I see with that is Nintendo is pretty stubborn when it comes to price cuts. If they weren't willing to give the Wii U or any of the 3DS models that treatment after the Switch came out, I doubt they'd do it for the Switch once Switch 2 is out. 

Assuming Switch 2 is somewhere between the PS4/Xbox One and PS5/Xbox Series in terms of specs and hardware, that's $350/400 right there assuming they stick w/ LCD screens. With OLED, you can tack on another $50 which would bring it up to possibly $450. So the Switch 1 would be cheaper by default. 

Another factor to consider is if the Switch 2 is fully backwards compatible. If so, that just might be enough to convince people to jump to Switch 2 instead of settling for a cheaper Switch 1 to hold them over until the time and money is right again to THEN jump onto Switch 2. The lack of backwards compatibility "and not being a traditional successor" is part of why the 3DS was able to have some respectable legs, or at least much stronger than the DS, in spite of the Switch's release and instant success.

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PAOerfulone said:
archbrix said:

Yeah, I think a lot of people are overlooking this effect. It’s not just an increase in those who are hyped on Zelda itself, but the idea that it’s still “safe” to buy a Switch because there is top-tier software still arriving. I think we are witnessing the benefits of Nintendo only having one system to develop for, and as a result, I believe that the company is sitting on games that are already largely finished - possibly big ones, too... like a new Mario and a DK game.

This is why the idea of Switch dying quickly after its successor releases isn’t likely either. Switch 2 is going to be fairly expensive - to the point that we’re hearing it might even debut with an LCD screen at first, possibly to keep costs down. So Nintendo is going to want a cheaper product to coexist with its new system. This is where we will see official price cuts on all Switch models, with Switch Lite likely at $149 by then.

So still plenty of sales left in Switch and plenty of money Nintendo can make off of it, even though its big teams have already moved on to the new hardware.

Only issue I see with that is Nintendo is pretty stubborn when it comes to price cuts. If they weren't willing to give the Wii U or any of the 3DS models that treatment after the Switch came out, I doubt they'd do it for the Switch once Switch 2 is out. 

Assuming Switch 2 is somewhere between the PS4/Xbox One and PS5/Xbox Series in terms of specs and hardware, that's $350/400 right there assuming they stick w/ LCD screens. With OLED, you can tack on another $50 which would bring it up to possibly $450. So the Switch 1 would be cheaper by default. 

Another factor to consider is if the Switch 2 is fully backwards compatible. If so, that just might be enough to convince people to jump to Switch 2 instead of settling for a cheaper Switch 1 to hold them over until the time and money is right again to THEN jump onto Switch 2. The lack of backwards compatibility "and not being a traditional successor" is part of why the 3DS was able to have some respectable legs, or at least much stronger than the DS, in spite of the Switch's release and instant success.

These are some good topics to point out. Nintendo understands that price, is a reflection of worth. The price is a major factor that determines the value of something. ONE of the reason for the failure of the Wii U and 3DS was the action of price drop at the beginning. There's a big difference between a low initial price, and high initial price dropping to the low. Price cut is the equivalent of saying the product doesn't meet the value of the former price, as there's no reason to do a price cut when demand is high. Price cut is done to increase or bring back demand. However, it's pointless if the product isn't known, marketed well...
By keeping the price of their software and hardware relatively the same, it shows that the worth of those products haven't changed. This builds trust with customers that their games wouldn't drastically decrease in value. By going through a price cut, it will increase short-term profit, but will severely damage the long-term. That's why Ubisoft and Square Enix suffers from sales even with great games. Their brand is damaged by their actions. Nobody wants to see something they bought, decrease in price soon later. 



PAOerfulone said:

Only issue I see with that is Nintendo is pretty stubborn when it comes to price cuts. If they weren't willing to give the Wii U or any of the 3DS models that treatment after the Switch came out, I doubt they'd do it for the Switch once Switch 2 is out. 

Assuming Switch 2 is somewhere between the PS4/Xbox One and PS5/Xbox Series in terms of specs and hardware, that's $350/400 right there assuming they stick w/ LCD screens. With OLED, you can tack on another $50 which would bring it up to possibly $450. So the Switch 1 would be cheaper by default. 

Another factor to consider is if the Switch 2 is fully backwards compatible. If so, that just might be enough to convince people to jump to Switch 2 instead of settling for a cheaper Switch 1 to hold them over until the time and money is right again to THEN jump onto Switch 2. The lack of backwards compatibility "and not being a traditional successor" is part of why the 3DS was able to have some respectable legs, or at least much stronger than the DS, in spite of the Switch's release and instant success.

Nintedno killed the DS to help people move on to the 3DS.