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PAOerfulone said:

Unless they go the LOTR/Harry Potter route and make it a series of multiple films, each between 2 1/2 to 3 hours in length, covering an entire story arc, I still think Zelda would work better as a TV series than a movie.

There is A LOT of lore, world-building, story-telling, and characters to cover in Zelda. Especially in some of the later 3D games like Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Breath of the Wild, and Tears of the Kingdom. They can't condense a standard Zelda story down to a single 90-120 minute movie. They'd need a LOTR-length trilogy just for something like Ocarina of Time! First film - Prologue, 1st half/Child Link section; Second film - 2nd half/Adult Link section. Third film - Final battle w/ Ganondorf, epilogue establishing the Adult and Child timelines that'll lead to Wind Waker/DS games and Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess respectively.

If they did it as a TV series, then they would have more room and air time to work w/ by dedicating each part or chapter in a game to its own 45-60 minute episode. Using the Ocarina of Time example again. You could have Episode 1 - Prologue and Young Link intro, Deku Tree, and meeting Zelda. Episode 2 - Kakariko Village, Death Mountain, meeting the Gorons and Darunia. Episode 3 - Zora's Domain, Jabu Jabu's Belly, meeting the Zora and Ruto. Episode 4 - Sidequests, world-building, meeting Malon and Epona, and you end w/ Link being sealed in the Sacred Realm and Ganondorf claiming the Triforce and laying waste to Hyrule as the credits roll. Episode 4 - Link wakes as an adult, meets Sheik, returns to Kokiri Forest, completes the Spirit Temple. And every episode after that could be dedicated to that specific dungeon and part of the world so that each part of Hyrule gets its own episode. You get a Darunia/Goron episode. Then a Ruto/Zora episode. Then a Saria/Kokiri episode. Then a longer Nabooru/Gerudo episode which could also show Ganondorf's origin story. And so on. And this way, you take more of the focus and attention off Link (since I'd imagine Miyamoto and co. would still try to make him silent as much as possible and that would be SIGNIFICANTLY harder to pull off in a movie format) and put it more on Hyrule and the people living in it.

I'd love to see them do a movie obviously, but I think a TV series makes more sense for Zelda. 

But either way, I'd feel much more confident and comfortable if they did it animated as opposed to live-action.

Would a live-action Zelda movie make more money than an animated Zelda movie? Absolutely.

It would also be a lot easier to fuck up than an animated movie, especially w/ casting. If you don't get it absolutely right on the money, it's going to alienate A LOT of hardcore Zelda fans, who are going to be the majority of the audience for this film. Even if Zelda is more popular than people give it credit for and we're underestimating it, it's still nowhere near the level of mainstream popularity as Mario or Pokemon. It's more geared towards dedicated gamers and nerd culture - People like us. We're the ones who are largely going to determine its box office performance. If the Mario movie's viewing audience ratio is a 50/50 tie between the mainstream casual audience and the dedicated gaming audience. It would be something like 70/30 - gamers, for Zelda.

And if it doesn't hit the mark or if it's a disappointment, gamers are gonna tear it to shreds. And that'll cripple a lot of its chances w/ the general, casual audience because they're not nearly as familiar or care as much about Zelda as they do Mario and go see it anyway. Even if they don't play the games like we do, they still know who Mario is, have fond memories of him from childhood, or will take their kids to see it because they know they enjoy it. That portion of the audience is going to be MUCH smaller for Zelda. So by and large, they have to make sure the film meets OUR standards, OUR expectations, and pass OUR viewing tests, if it's going to have a chance of catching on w/ the mainstream audience through word of mouth.

And I just think it's going to be much easier for them to do that in an animated format than a live-action one. It may not make as much money, but you know what?

AS LONG AS THEY GET IT RIGHT AND THE MOVIE IS GOOD OR EVEN GREAT...

It's going to make a fuck-ton of money anyway!!!

And I have A LOT more faith in an animated studio like DreamWorks to get an animated Zelda right than I would for just about any live-action studio to get a live-action Zelda right. The only one that I think would have a shot would be New Line Cinema if they got someone like Peter Jackson, or a director and team who loves and cares for Zelda as much as Jackson and his team did for LOTR to helm the project.

But other than that, I think animation is the way to go - TV or movie series.

I am hoping for a harry potter / LOTR route, if that ain't on the cards, then I agree I personally would rather see it as a TV series if it's only going to be one movie.

Soundwave said:

Now that Nintendo has tasted that sweet, sweet box office $$$$ ... no way do they go TV for Zelda I don't think.

They know they could make big money off a theatrical film, I think as much as some people may bemoan they are totally looking at the Marvel Cinematic Universe model where they build up to a Smash Bros. movie.

Frankly movie theaters and the theater industry need Nintendo too, you can only rely on superhero movies so much, theater chains desperately needed something beyond just that to come along and boost revenues, and voila along comes Mario. 

And if they are not they should be looking at it.

Titled - Smash Bros End Game :P



 

 

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Soundwave said:

Now that Nintendo has tasted that sweet, sweet box office $$$$ ... no way do they go TV for Zelda I don't think.

They know they could make big money off a theatrical film, I think as much as some people may bemoan they are totally looking at the Marvel Cinematic Universe model where they build up to a Smash Bros. movie.

Frankly movie theaters and the theater industry need Nintendo too, you can only rely on superhero movies so much, theater chains desperately needed something beyond just that to come along and boost revenues, and voila along comes Mario. 

This leads me to believe the following:

With the success of the Mario movie plus the fact that Nintendo acquired and renamed their own animation studio half a year ago

Their partnership w/ Universal is strictly temporary. They are using it strictly as a means to get them fully familiar w/ the process of making animated movies, running theme parks, etc. All these different forms of media and all the details and intricacies that go into them. Then, when the time is right, they'll take matters into their own hands and do it themselves.

It's all part of Nintendo's REAL end goal: Standing toe-to-toe and competing w/ Disney.

They view themselves as equal or perhaps even superior to Disney in terms of IP and brand recognition and mainstream popularity. Mario are Pikachu are two of the only mascots in the world who can rival Mickey Mouse in recognition and icon status. And while they are the undisputed kings and queens of video gaming. As far as other medias are concerned? They have been WOEFULLY lagging for FAR too long. The worldwide, mass media conglomerate juggernaut that Disney has become in the last 30-40 years. Movies, TV shows, multiple TV CHANNELS, theme parks, stores, their own streaming service, owning multiple massive companies like Marvel, Lucasfilm, ESPN, Fox (although I think they may be regretting that purchase), that's what Nintendo wants to be. I'm honestly shocked its taken them this long to make their first big step in that venture. Did the '93 live action Mario movie really scare the piss out of them THAT much?



Looks like it will break $1 billion tomorrow, joining Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun Maverick, and Avatar: TWoW as the only movies post-COVID to top 1 billion box office.

Also has a good shot at becoming Illumination/Universal's high grossing animated film ever and will enter the top 10 highest grossing animated films of all time tomorrow also. 

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Soundwave said:

Looks like it will break $1 billion tomorrow, joining Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun Maverick, and Avatar: TWoW as the only movies post-COVID to top 1 billion box office.

Also has a good shot at becoming Illumination/Universal's high grossing animated film ever and will enter the top 10 highest grossing animated films of all time tomorrow also. 



Soundwave said:

Looks like it will break $1 billion tomorrow, joining Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun Maverick, and Avatar: TWoW as the only movies post-COVID to top 1 billion box office.

Jurassic World: Dominion made over 1 billion.



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I just realized, if they still wanted to put in an 80s song for the scene where Mario, Peach and Toad are escorted to Cranky Kong, this would've been at least a better fit for the scene than Take On Me.



Kakadu18 said:
Soundwave said:

Looks like it will break $1 billion tomorrow, joining Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun Maverick, and Avatar: TWoW as the only movies post-COVID to top 1 billion box office.

Jurassic World: Dominion made over 1 billion.

Jurassic Park/World is also one of the 3 or 4 biggest movie IPs in the business with a 30 year old legacy. 

This is Nintendo's first movie. 

As an animated film it's going to outgross every animated film probably with the exception of like 3 or 4 Disney animated films (Disney's made like 70+ animated features). 

Like lets even look at say Pixar, this Mario movie is going to outgross every film Pixar has made in almost 30 years with maybe the exception of The Incredibles 2 and it still has a shot at Incredibles 2 (so more than any Toy Story movie). 



Soundwave said:
Kakadu18 said:

Jurassic World: Dominion made over 1 billion.

Jurassic Park/World is also one of the 3 or 4 biggest movie IPs in the business with a 30 year old legacy. 

This is Nintendo's first movie. 

As an animated film it's going to outgross every animated film probably with the exception of like 3 or 4 Disney animated films (Disney's made like 70+ animated features). 

Like lets even look at say Pixar, this Mario movie is going to outgross every film Pixar has made in almost 30 years with maybe the exception of The Incredibles 2 and it still has a shot at Incredibles 2 (so more than any Toy Story movie). 

Dude, you said Mario will join Spider-Man: No Way Home, Top Gun Maverick and Avatar 2 as the only films to have grossed over 1 billion post Covid. Jurassic World: Dominion also grossed over 1 billion. Idgaf what IP it is from.



1 Billion!



BasilZero said:

1 Billion!

Up yours, Rotten Tomatoes!! ^^