Who is profiting though by reporting the cause of death as COVID? It's not the private companies supplying the vaccines who are reporting the deaths as COVID related, it's the doctors, the coroners, the medical staff, etc, I don't see a route where lets say, the NHS is profiting by reporting deaths as COVID related when they are also having to buy millions in PPE equipment to protect against COVID.

There are some dickheads who took advantage of the hysteria and set up bullshit PPE companies but they were also scamming the healthcare industry which had to buy the PPE equipment, the same healthcare industry that is reporting on the deaths and their cause. At the same time, I'll use UK as an example again, our government couldn't wait to lift the lockdowns because they were battering our economy, barely anything about COVID was profitable for anyone aside from food deliveries and PPE suppliers, Lol.

You don't. 

Good skepticism is asking questions, trying to get more information. 

Bad skepticism is believing everything that Y says, because you believe that Y tells the truth while X lies. Everyone makes mistakes/"tells lies" at some point, intentionally or unintentionally. 

I don't have to believe NASA when they say the Earth is round, what's great about science is that you can do some work and determine a lot of these things yourself. 

Cause of death is difficult. 

As Ryuu was saying someone with cancer can be immunocompromised, and die from a regular illness that wouldn't hurt most people. Sometimes multiple factors contribute to someone's death, how do you pick one? 

"Underlying health condition" is doing a lot of carrying there. Lots of things are underlying conditions. 
Would you be happy if your death was caused by a bad flu, made worse by some heart defect that you had no idea about?

1. You think the Republican party and Trump put out a bad bill? 

You must read CNN.

CNN - Covid-19 testing is a financial windfall for hospitals and other providers

Hospitals do not make more money off of Covid deaths. They do make money off of treating Covid patients. They also don't need to take advantage of mass hysteria, Trump's bill already allowed them to do it.  

And if you were really concerned that there was mislabeling, you can look at other trends. How do US covid cases compare to other countries? How many deaths were there throughout the pandemic, compared to how many deaths there normally are/how many deaths are expected? 

The main reason to think that covid deaths are legit and not just a mistaken case of something else is that excess deaths in the US map pretty clearly with the incidence of Covid. It went up and down at the same time we got different waves. Excess deaths is a great way to look at events like pandemics after the fact.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

The CDC lost a lot of its credibility with its handling of Covid.

In the beginning, they said don't wear masks, save them for healthcare workers. Then they said, yes, wear a mask, but only a cloth or surgical one.

When Covid was over, they admitted that only wearing an N95 mask would protect you from it.

If you have another source tracking excess deaths I'm happy to give it a look. 

Actually for fun I found another source.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/03/excess-mortality-during-covid-19.html

I know this has been resolved below but if any others were curious I also found a source for excess deaths by country wherever possible.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

No, I don't Tor.  I don't have a problem with their data.  I only have a problem with their guidance during the Covid times.

In the beginning there wasn't enough supply so they advised providing them to those who were in the most need. Then, when supply caught up to demand, they recommended everybody use masks when appropriate. I am unfamiliar with any updated guidance stating that anything less than an N95 was ineffective (although efficacy does vary by fit and construction) or any guidance where they ever said that N95 masks were ineffective. 

I would love to see a source for these claims as when I search for the most up to date guidance from the CDC, I still see them providing information maintaining the same perspective on masks. 

Even if your claims here are accurate, I always think this kind of reasoning is... silly.

If someone claims to have all the answers to something day 1, that's problematic. That to me, would suggest that person was probably lying.

In the real world, it takes time to figure out how effective something is, it takes time to figure out anything. Some stuff that we thought we knew about Covid day 1 was wrong by day 30. This is particularly the case, when the virus was changing. It's basically expected that a procedure that was effective day 1, might not be effective 365. 

I always see this kind of reasoning, where people change their mind about something, must mean they're not credible. But that's exactly what I would expect out of someone who was trying to do the work to be informed and credible. 

The world is complicated and always changing.

With that said, on your claims, I can't find anything about the CDC saying only N95 masks work. What do you mean by "only a cloth or surgical mask"? 

The first one, I'm aware of the claim. I don't think it's as problematic as people make it. I'm going to steal Sundin's response here:

Saving masks for "healthcare workers" who are on the front line, suggests that they believe masks worked, but that they didn't believe there were enough for everyone to wear one at the time. 

Yep...those are the words of this sites biggest liberals.....Let that sink in fellow VGC members.....My response to them will come tomorrow, I need to get some sleep for now.

Am I the only one noticing that it’s just the conservative posters who are conveniently busy whenever they are asked to provide evidence of something?