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the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

The full version is a lot more complicated. One thing edited out by clip above is Columbus praising modern-day condemnation of slavery.

You say that like it makes any of it better. In fact, it makes it worse. Christopher Columbus enslaved native Americans. To portray it as if he would have been glad that we moved on from slavery, would be like having Hitler say that it's so good that we've moved on from hating Jews. It is a disgusting and dishonest portrayal, and there's absolutely nothing positive about it. 

I watched the video.

One minute in, and the side against Christopher Columbus spread things like disease and slavery; while the side for was that he was courageous and inspired people to think differently. Such a fascinating comparison, because it just doesn't work. One side is talking about real tangible problems, and the other side is largely talking about intangible benefits. 

Prager U is incredibly consistent at:

1.) Giving half truths

2.) Giving lies.

3.) Leading you from A to B without justification. They will claim that A implies B, even if it clearly doesn't.

And perhaps more importantly, they package these lies in such a way as if they are obvious truths. Like someone would have to be an idiot not to come to the same conclusion.

"You say that like it makes any of it better."

It doesn't make it better, my intent was to show how BTC had edited out portions of PragerU's video in such a manner as to provide an incomplete picture.

PragerU's video provided an incomplete picture of Columbus and BTC provided an incomplete picture of PragerU's video.



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Pemalite said:
sundin13 said:

Even then, "fires happen sometimes" seems to be the prevailing narrative from the right. 

They do sometimes happen, hence why firefighters exist.

But the workload is getting to the point where I am saving a town/city every year rather than once every 10+ years, even during a cooler/wetter year due to La-Nina. - Which shows that even when you have climate influencers that reduce fire-potential, shit will still go wrong.

Just a few weeks ago, despite being winter we had a running grassfire... In winter. That's a rare occurrence.
And it's a cold and wet winter not a hot and dry one.


Well, let's be honest with ourselves and each other here: One of the most defining traits of the political right is that they'll twist every fact that sounds even remotely true to justify their unwillingness to do what is right. As far as they're concerned, they will go with whatever answer relieves them of any responsibility or ensures they aren't forced to do anything against their will.

That's the entire crux of their political view. All the freedom, none of the responsibility that comes with it.  Their liberty is absolute, even at the expense of all else. 



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TallSilhouette said:

^ This really isn't the hill you wanna die on, dude.

PragerU is well known propaganda and has no business being used in classrooms as anything but examples of disinformation and how to spot them.

To be fair, Republicans are the ones that want the bible taught in science class, so it's not like 'facts' or 'reality' really play a part in their goals. 



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Runa216 said:
TallSilhouette said:

^ This really isn't the hill you wanna die on, dude.

PragerU is well known propaganda and has no business being used in classrooms as anything but examples of disinformation and how to spot them.

To be fair, Republicans are the ones that want the bible taught in science class, so it's not like 'facts' or 'reality' really play a part in their goals. 

I think you will enjoy this clip of Whoopi Goldberg calling Republicans stupid and saying she hates Republicans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGl1CCprCeU

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KLAMarine said:

"You say that like it makes any of it better."

It doesn't make it better, my intent was to show how BTC had edited out portions of PragerU's video in such a manner as to provide an incomplete picture.

PragerU's video provided an incomplete picture of Columbus and BTC provided an incomplete picture of PragerU's video.

Any portion of a bigger thing is going to be an incomplete picture. 20 seconds of a 13 minute video is an incomplete picture. A single paragraph out of a book is an incomplete picture. 

If something is problematic, you don't have to show the entire context to know if it's bad. Unless the overall context is something like "oh this is what bad people think:", or "this is an example of something that's wrong", nothing changes. 


People constantly "edit out" portions of things, because you don't usually need to understand the entire context to understand if something is problematic. 

There are entire businesses who are predicated on summarizing content so you get the important stuff. That's what search engines do, that's what a lot of a journalism is about. That's what a large chunk of social media does. A lot of people work very hard to give you just enough context to understand what is going on.

Cutting content, "giving an incomplete picture" means absolutely nothing. 

Cutting content in a way that completely changes the meaning of the subject, that is a serious subject. That is a serious moral failing. But that's not what happened here. As I said, the full context makes Prager U look even worse.

KLAMarine said:

I think you will enjoy this clip of Whoopi Goldberg calling Republicans stupid and saying she hates Republicans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGl1CCprCeU

I'm completely unsure what you think your point is here. 



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TallSilhouette said:

^ This really isn't the hill you wanna die on, dude.

But it should be the hill he dies on.

Just how many times more do you guys want to go through the same cycle. There is intentionally no question mark.

The regular users know it's bullshit. The moderators know it's bullshit. KLAMarine himself knows that it's bullshit. Literally everyone knows it.



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TallSilhouette said:

^ This really isn't the hill you wanna die on, dude.

PragerU is well known propaganda and has no business being used in classrooms as anything but examples of disinformation and how to spot them.

Here's some videos specifically about PragerU Kids:



KLAMarine said:

"You say that like it makes any of it better."

It doesn't make it better, my intent was to show how BTC had edited out portions of PragerU's video in such a manner as to provide an incomplete picture.

PragerU's video provided an incomplete picture of Columbus and BTC provided an incomplete picture of PragerU's video.

But nobody is putting, or even trying to put, BTC's videos in classroom instruction.



To the privileged, equality feels like oppression. 

California Store Owner Shot Dead For Displaying Pride Flag

"A California clothing store owner and designer was killed allegedly by a gunman who confronted her about a rainbow Pride flag outside her business and shot her after making disparaging remarks about the display, according to police.

Laura Ann Carleton, a married mother of nine children, was killed Friday outside her clothing store in Cedar Glen, an unincorporated San Bernardino County community on the shores of Lake Arrowhead, according to a statement from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office."


Even being an ally can get you killed in this country.



Continuing this conversation from the Russia/Ukraine thread, because it's more relevant here. Not that it deserves to be talked about more.

COKTOE said:

You said: "Maybe there would be less degradation of Christian values if Christians actually did half of what they're supposed to believe in."

Do YOU understand English? It's one sentence.

You say that the sentence in question meant:

""I wasn't calling out Christians as being all the bad guys in the room or something."

You were clearly referring to all Christians when you said "Maybe there would be less degradation of Christian values if Christians actually did half of what they're supposed to believe in."

By any reasonable interpretation of the English language. But you said you that's not what you meant. So I gave you the benefit of the doubt. And waited for you to say what you actually meant. Are you seriously questioning my English here?

1.) If I say "Cars go fast", does that mean "Every car goes fast", "Most cars go fast", "A lot of cars go fast", "Some cars go fast", "No cars go fast"?

You're insisting that my comment must mean the first one. I think it's reasonable to assume it's one of the first three from a linguistic standpoint. It's obviously not the last one, it probably isn't the second to last one. There is an ambiguity of quantity there, but I think you'd find that most native English speakers would have the line somewhere in the first three, certainly not the last 2, but the first 3 are reasonable interpretations. 

2.) "if Christians actually did half of what they're supposed to believe in" is also not the same thing as "Christians are bad/evil." Heck, admitting that Christians aren't perfect and aren't always doing the things that they're supposed to believe in, is pretty much a requirement for being Christian. It's like half the basis of the religion (that all people are sinful/imperfect/etc.)

3.) I will definitely say it was a jerk move to question your English. It's a very broad internet, and it's pretty easy for people to have different interpretations on what something means. There are even religions built on that. But I have to ask, because you're making strange rigid interpretations while completely ignoring large parts of text; and if it were some kind of language barrier it might be helpful for me to try phrasing things differently. 

COKTOE said:

I think, if the-pi-guy had a dream, and in that dream, he typed out "If only the Hindu's were able to live up to 67% of the things they believe in, the world would be a better place", or X thing with, with X religion, that ISN'T a Christian denomination, he would wake up from that dream, his balls would turn charcoal black, fall off, and float into space. He would then totally ignore the incredible, normally traumatic events that had just transpired, and run to his nearest internet connected device to make sure he didn't actually type them out. That's an accurate assessment of the power structure in the US as it pertain to expressing opinions on religion.

I probably wouldn't even think about it a second time. Because it's a pretty obvious statement. Quite a few people are hypocrites, and the world would be a better place if people actually acted on the things that they claimed to believe in.

Same goes for NIMBY liberals and socialists, if only they were able to live up to 75% of the things they claimed to believe in, instead of being selective and saying they want those things, but not in their area. 

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