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Do the announced changes at Halo Studios (prev. 343 Industries) have you optimistic for the future of the franchise?

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chakkra said:
Machiavellian said:

So there seems to be 2 camps for Dragon Age. The one camp that wanted the game to be a certain way and thus not happy and the camp that went in with no expectations and seem to enjoy what the game is and having fun. Personally for myself, I believe this Dragon Age probably more up my ally than previous entries as I never liked the series. Maybe I might punt on getting this one as I have read enough reviews to know I am definitely not in the first camp.

I think you summarize the issue pretty well there. That is a problem that many franchises have encountered recently: In their eternal quest to attract a new audience, they ended up alienating their original one. I don't know why they keep doing this; it should be obvious by now that that strategy is way too risky.

Yeah, we have seen it several times in recent years, and often it doesn't end well for the series. Saints Row is a perfect example there, they tried to reinvent the whole series pretty much to win over a new, younger generation of gamers, and those young gamers ignored it to continue playing Fortnite and the like and the classic Saints Row fans largely hated it. Sales fell off hard after the initial launch week, and by the 1 year anniversary of the game's release Embracer Group had shuttered Volition.

FF16 is a less extreme example of the phenomenon than Saints Row, but many longtime fans of the Final Fantasy series didn't enjoy it due to changes made to the series formula, Square Enix was somewhat disappointed by it's launch sales, and then in May this year announced that it had failed to meet their long term sales targets as well. Square has yet to announce 5m lifetime sales for it even though it sold 3m on launch and has been out for over a year on PS5 and over a month on PC, which suggests both PS5 legs and the PC launch have been quite poor. 

Many people compared Dragon Age The Veilguard to Saints Row upon it's reveal trailer, and though we later learned that Veilguard's violations of Dragon Age series conventions weren't quite as egregious as Saints Row, I doubt Veilguard is going to sell the kind of numbers EA will want it to sell, considering it's huge budget from a protracted development cycle of nearly a decade. 

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Ryuu96 said:
chakkra said:

Why in God's name does Microsoft continues to invite those people to previews (or even give them review codes at all)? They must be masochists.

Relatively well know publication but yes they're negative about practically everything lately, Lol. If Microsoft dropped them though then they'd be accused of trying to cherry pick reviewers for only positive ones.

But they invited only a handful of people anyways.. Why invite the one that you already know is gonna be negative no matter what?



Halo 2 SMG being added?!?!





G2ThaUNiT said:

Halo 2 SMG being added?!?!

Nah, that's not the Halo 2 SMG, looks more like the MA5K which has only been featured on the covers of some Halo books up until this point. It's a version of the MA5B assault rifle that features removed electronics and the addition of a BR55 like carrying handle. Probably just a new weapon kit for the assault rifle rather than a new weapon.



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chakkra said:
Machiavellian said:

So there seems to be 2 camps for Dragon Age. The one camp that wanted the game to be a certain way and thus not happy and the camp that went in with no expectations and seem to enjoy what the game is and having fun. Personally for myself, I believe this Dragon Age probably more up my ally than previous entries as I never liked the series. Maybe I might punt on getting this one as I have read enough reviews to know I am definitely not in the first camp.

I think you summarize the issue pretty well there. That is a problem that many franchises have encountered recently: In their eternal quest to attract a new audience, they ended up alienating their original one. I don't know why they keep doing this; it should be obvious by now that that strategy is way too risky.

Probably because if you do not grow your audience it becomes stagnant.  The old fans complain you doing to much or they complain you are not doing enough and its an ever endless cycle that continues until they all just fade away.  I consider GOD of War as a prime example.  I remember when this GOD of war was shone with 3rd person perspective and just about every GOD of War fan went crazy including myself.  The game appealed to a totally new audience but because the game was good, it also was able to turn over die hards like myself because the game was fun.  Developers hate having to do the same thing over and over again never being allowed to actually try new ideals always being held back by the fans who say they want something new but never really do.  Sometimes creative teams really want to be creative and not held down.  The key of course is that the game they make that moves away from the old must be good.  What I have seen from a number of positive reviews is that the game is good.  So yeah, its going to not appeal to the old guard as much but if its good enough, it might convert a few over and grow its audience. 



Machiavellian said:
chakkra said:

I think you summarize the issue pretty well there. That is a problem that many franchises have encountered recently: In their eternal quest to attract a new audience, they ended up alienating their original one. I don't know why they keep doing this; it should be obvious by now that that strategy is way too risky.

Probably because if you do not grow your audience it becomes stagnant.  The old fans complain you doing to much or they complain you are not doing enough and its an ever endless cycle that continues until they all just fade away.  I consider GOD of War as a prime example.  I remember when this GOD of war was shone with 3rd person perspective and just about every GOD of War fan went crazy including myself.  The game appealed to a totally new audience but because the game was good, it also was able to turn over die hards like myself because the game was fun.  Developers hate having to do the same thing over and over again never being allowed to actually try new ideals always being held back by the fans who say they want something new but never really do.  Sometimes creative teams really want to be creative and not held down.  The key of course is that the game they make that moves away from the old must be good.  What I have seen from a number of positive reviews is that the game is good.  So yeah, its going to not appeal to the old guard as much but if its good enough, it might convert a few over and grow its audience. 

Hmm. I saw the description that Dragon Age Veilguard is a mix of God of War and Guardians of the Galaxy. That is something, both are very popular games. But here is the thing: I played neither of them and have no interest to. I was interested in Dragon Age Veilguard, possibly even excited, but my excitement is evaporating by the minute. Veilguard seems to lose everything I love about RPGs.

You talk about stagnant, but what does it mean? I described Baldur's Gate 3 in the greatest game event as a 90s game utilizing modern technology, experience and budget (as gaming as a whole has grown *a lot*). So is BG3 a stagnant game? Probably. It won multiple game of the year awards being that stagnant.

I feel like stagnant is used as a term for: "genre I don't like". So let me declare every real-time game stagnant. BG3 has proven turn-based is the way to go, so every game should be turn-based, otherwise it is being stagnant.

You said about yourself: "I believe this Dragon Age probably more up my ally than previous entries as I never liked the series". So Veilguard is certainly a game, but maybe it is not a Dragon Age game. What is with people who previously liked the series? They have to look elsewhere. Well, another BG3 run for me then.

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