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coolbeans said:
Shaunodon said:

What do you mean 'outside of the original controversy'. There's no way to disconnect the original point from all these developments, because the whole controversy literally started with them shoehorning this lazily researched DEI cliche into the game, then literally doubling-down by going on record saying "this will be our most historically accurate Assassin's Creed to date.", only to later turn around and directly contradict themselves after their 'source' got proven to be a complete liar.

You say you don't want to give ammunition to the "anti-woke silo", but bullshit Corporate agenda like this are the literal reason they exist. By defending or ignoring the blatant dishonesty, you're defending Ubisoft as well as all the other cheap and lazy corporate slave factories.

You're misreading my POV.  My 1st response was more about examining VersusEvil's tone/approach and breaking it down from there.  Anyways...

-What I mean with "outside the original controversy" is that Yasuke's contested profile did exist before AC: Shadows was announced.  I'm just making a separation between Shadows' issues and the broader conversation around Yasuke.

-But that's not what I said!  I'm literally breaking down how this reflects poorly on Wikipedia.  Their collective mindset seems to be "prop up disputed historical claims, so long as it upsets the bad people."  

My bad. I didn't think there was a great controversy around Yasuke before modern video game dev wanted to put modern propaganda into modern video game. If there was that much controversy to begin with, I only wonder how that author got away with their fake historical novel for so long.

Anyway, to anyone still calling people out for making an issue over this, I'll ignore all the manifold evidence about Ubisoft's lies for now. I only have one simple train of thought to offer:

If having a black guy as your protagonist for a game set in feudal Japan isn't a big deal, why did they do it in the first place? Why would they find any sort of excuse to make this happen? Do you think this was to make fans of the games happy? Do you think it was to make the people of Japan happy? Who did any of this serve in the first place?

(If you truly believe this was someone's creative inspiration, I will pray for you)



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Could have been worse, they could have made him British.



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Ryuu96 said:
Machiavellian said:

The bar is even higher on patents, especially when you read patents for games.  In the end this sounds like Nintendo is going to nuke PocketPair as they will have them wrapped up in court and fees for years draining all the revenue they have obtain and put them in limbo for a sequel.  This may not be a move to win a lawsuit but to flex against a much smaller company letting them know they got to close to the sun.

I've read that in this specific case a patent lawsuit is easier for Nintendo than a copyright lawsuit hence why they went with a patent lawsuit and not a copyright one, plus we have all sorts of patent troll companies and then examples like Warner Bros patenting the Nemesis System which isn't exactly a ground-breaking concept, resulting in nobody ever using it, Lol. But yes Nintendo will win, they have an amazing track-record in legal matters, they have access to the best lawyers in Japan, they will drown Pocketpair in legal fees or win the court case outright.

Best case scenario feels like it would be Pocketpair just paying Nintendo for the license to the trademark.

What is the patent? Catching mosnters in balls?



Shaunodon said:

If having a black guy as your protagonist for a game set in feudal Japan isn't a big deal, why did they do it in the first place? Why would they find any sort of excuse to make this happen? Do you think this was to make fans of the games happy? Do you think it was to make the people of Japan happy? Who did any of this serve in the first place?

(If you truly believe this was someone's creative inspiration, I will pray for you)

What do we gain if we answer it honestly? It is obvious why they did it, they are just doing it so horribly wrong...

Same thing when they announced him, we know they had a meeting about the music choice for the trailer and someone was like ' What kind of music style are we going to use?  What do you mean?  He is black ofcourse we will use Hip Hop/Rap..

If you have time you should watch the Drunk Japanese Analyze the trailer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxydfYaAwjw  Something is really going on at Ubisoft and it is ruining them...

Koragg said:
Ryuu96 said:

I've read that in this specific case a patent lawsuit is easier for Nintendo than a copyright lawsuit hence why they went with a patent lawsuit and not a copyright one, plus we have all sorts of patent troll companies and then examples like Warner Bros patenting the Nemesis System which isn't exactly a ground-breaking concept, resulting in nobody ever using it, Lol. But yes Nintendo will win, they have an amazing track-record in legal matters, they have access to the best lawyers in Japan, they will drown Pocketpair in legal fees or win the court case outright.

Best case scenario feels like it would be Pocketpair just paying Nintendo for the license to the trademark.

What is the patent? Catching mosnters in balls?

Few patents probably

Potentially this one aswell:

^File date is also interesting.    Nintendo is in their right to do so but it is just so morally wrong;..

Oh yeah, Finished 8doors Arum's afterlife adventure...    

Korean Metroidvania game that has the right amount of Challenge/Exploration/Story/gameplay elements and so to make it a must have for anyone who loves similar games like Ori/Hollow knight etc. Game kept getting better and the end (+-10 hours) I was a bit sad it was over...

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Where I'm at on the whole AC Shadows controversy personally:

  • I am typically on the anti-woke side of the line that has been drawn in the sand within the gaming and broader entertainment culture war. I'm tired of seeing remasters and remasters and reboots all censored compared to the games of the past, I'm tired of devs forcing unrealistic amounts of diversity into games, overcorrecting an issue, I'm tired of devs placing more focus on woke issues within their games rather than things like good gameplay and a good storyline.
  • I have been waiting for a AAA Feudal Japan game, and AC Japan specifically, for a very long time, I'm among those who have been hoping to see a Japan AC ever since the first tease of one way back in AC1
  • AC has never been a series that claimed to be historically accurate, right from the very first AC game Ubisoft opened the series with a disclaimer that read "Inspired by historical events and characters, this work of fiction was developed by a multicultural team of various religious faiths and beliefs". The series has always taken a pretty loose approach with the lives of real life historical figures.
  • Therefore, Yasuke's inclusion doesn't really bother me so much, he was a real historical figure, and if they want to portray him as a full samurai in armor rather than the retainer he actually was, I personally don't see how that is any different than portraying Pope Alexander VI as a man with a magical staff.
  • I take issue more with some of their other design choices, the hip-hop infused soundtrack for Yasuke's combat seems badly out of place, the poor research they did into architecture, clothing, and the manners and customs of the time period are out of character for Ubisoft who usually did well in those areas for other AC games.
  • Ultimately I love the AC series and I've been waiting for AC Japan for so long that I am going to play this game, it's simply a matter of if I play it at launch, or wait for some PC mod fixes and improvements.


I wonder after Age of Mythology, maybe it is time that MS sits with EA and bring back Black and White






konnichiwa said:

I wonder after Age of Mythology, maybe it is time that MS sits with EA and bring back Black and White

Yes please



There's a rumor about a FFXIII trilogy going around but its likely fake.

There's gonna be a lot of fake rumors and stuff in the next few days until TGS is completely done.

Curious what will be revealed and announced , there's so much from Square Enix by itself.


-FF Pixel Remasters for Xbox
-FF16 for Xbox
-FF9 remake announcement
-FFTactics Remaster announcement
-FF13 Trilogy remaster



VersusEvil said:

Could have been worse, they could have made him British.

Could have made him a New Zealander, that would be really woke, I mean, how many New Zealanders even exist? 5.2m? I'd vomit at that DEI, I hope New Zealanders are never in videogames. British > New Zealanders. What even is that country? Looks like a turd coming out the ass of Australia. /s I'm fucking tired boss, if it's not whinging about every little negative thing happening to Xbox it's whinging about woke and DEI. Fuck me, I'll go actually enjoy video-games while people be permanent bitter-mode.

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