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Are you getting GoW Ragnarok?

Yes, was always going to. 46 68.66%
 
Yes, now that I see the reviews are so good. 0 0%
 
Yes, but I’ll wait for a price drop. 10 14.93%
 
Yes, I’m buying a PS5 for this game. 0 0%
 
No 11 16.42%
 
Total:67
smroadkill15 said:

This will be my last comment in this thread because I don't want to derail it. My point is, I don't see nearly the bias some are claiming. Especially when you post a very cherry-picked comparison. Breaking down the point difference between meta and their review score is trivial when everything based on personal opinions/experiences. Once again, ignore the scores you don't agree with.

Runa, you stoke the flames way more than you want to admit.

You not seeing the bias is not the same as the bias not being there. 

Also, it wasn't Cherry-Picked. It was a series of examples that proved the point. Your counter-point, which was YOUR cherry-picked (if ours was cherry picked, so was yours) series of data points, didn't speak to the argument you were trying to make. 

Yes, we know how subjective opinions work. THAT IS LITERALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR ARGUMENT. That their subjective opinions over on Stevior tend to favour Xbox games and are extra critical of PS games. I mean, yeah. That's pretty straight forward. 

And I think you're overselling my 'stoking of the flames'. I have an opinion just like anyone else. I present data and facts and examples to support that opinion, because most of my opinions are based heavily on where the facts lie. IT's not my fault that the facts show that Xbox isn't doing as well as PS in terms of the categories I care about (Exclusive games in terms of quality, quantity, variety, and consistency, as well as gaming features and controller features, etc). I've never once sat over here and tried to claim that PS5 is stronger or has more raw power/capability than the Xbox Series X, because the facts don't support that claim at all. There's clear disparity between the two major consoles in terms of their exclusive games, their console features, and their services. This is a fact. Yet everywhere I look I see people making shit up or misrepresenting the data or completely disregarding the data I've compiled because it doesn't mesh with their opinions on the matter. That's remarkably frustrating. 

I have, on so many occasions, made charts and compiled data about exclusives and consistency and made points about successfully launching new franchises, and every time I do I have someone trying to act like my data isn't fair. "Oh, you just cherry-picked' they say, or 'you manipulated the data' when that's not my style at all. I always use the same rules to compile my data for all brands and consoles regardless of my personal biases (of which I do not try to hide). I'm just getting increasingly frustrated that it doesn't seem to matter where I go or what I do or whether I'm actively involved or not, half the population (Regardless of what the actual facts say on whatever topic is dividing us) seem to just not want to believe the truth. Nobody cares about the data when it doesn't support their opinion, and in the realm of politics we have people denying science because their limited understanding of something doesn't seem to collaborate with the facts and the data so it's easier to say the scientists are wrong rather than accept maybe they aren't as smart as they think they are. 

And in this thread, a throw-away line about a website with a bias turned into ANOTHER argument about console wars. Even though the facts are there. Even though the numbers support my claim. Even though it's a fairly well-known bias in that particular website. My statement is made with a pretty basic, fair sense of self assurance. A factual statement backed by numbers. And yet here we are arguing over semantics because I pointed out that, historically, Stevior has been known to give higher scores to Xbox games than PS games. Which is a fact. Supported by consistent data. 

And somehow that's me stoking the fires. Making a factually accurate statement that supports one side over another regarding a clearly defined bias in one particular publication. You don't get to act like I'm being biased because the facts support my claim. You're looking at the chain of causality wrong. But then again, these last 6 years or so has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't matter how right you are, how accurate your facts are, how clear your numbers are, or how reasonable it is to have the opinions you have based on those facts and figures, someone will always be out to turn it into some sort of tribalistic nonsense. 

And I know that, while this thread was supposed to be about god of War reviews and my statement was about bias from Stevior (And others, but mostly them since they're the worst for it), I also know your jabs at me are in response to things I've said in other threads. So let me be clear about that: I do not hate Microsoft or Xbox and I don't seek out excuses to be critical of them or shit on Xbox or their consoles. I do, however, fixate a lot on numbers and trends and patterns (So much so that I actively studied box office history for nearly 20 years before BoxOfficeMojo turned to shit and the pandemic happened), and the numbers and trends over the last 5-10 years over on Xbox/microsoft is that they just aren't releasing many games that are exclusive to their console. I keep track of this data and have for a while, and ever since the Switch came out Xbox has been failing miserably in this category, which I personally feel is one of the most important categories when it comes to making a games console. Both from an objective and subjective standpoint. I am critical of them becuase they are doing poorly and need to do better, not becuase of some stupid grudge or console gripe or some shit. 

Numbers are numbers. Patterns are patterns. Stats and trends are stats and trends. And facts are facts. 

You can have a subjective opinion on whether each of these patterns, numbers, stats, trends, or facts matter to your personal tastes, but that doesn't change the objective truth. 

I've actively tried to keep about 75% of my opinion out of these conversations because every time I do I get banned or warned or have three quarters of the forum telling me I'm a fanboy. If anything I'm a Nintendo fanboy, but whatever. This is a very Xbox heavy forum, I've noticed. By sheer passive observation I've seen that of the three major brands, criticism of Xbox is most heavily punished regardless. But of course I'll get arguments there, too, even though I'm not the only one to have seen and noticed this. 

Biases are okay. We all have them. But holy crap people are fragile. 



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DonFerrari said:
smroadkill15 said:

You simply can't help yourself, can you? Gotta make everything into console wars, even though you apparently hate console wars. If you don't agree with a review, move on. GoW: Ragnarok is phenomenal and the fact you let 1 or 2 negative reviews get you upset instead of focusing the hundreds of positives is sad. Stevivor hasn't even released a review for the game and you're already talking about it like they gave it a bad review. The site gave the last God of War game an 8/10 so I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. 

Btw, I'm very happy for SSM. They delivered an exceptional well-made game. 

You mean they gave 14 points below the average for a critical acclaim? What do you think of their Death Stranding review?

This is a summary of where Stevivor was oddly above meta for Xbox and below for PS. The best cases

HFW 23 below, U:LT 22 below, DS R 17 below, BB 16 below (curiously the 2 souls game that were exclusive are majorly below meta, but the multiplat are very near it), GoT 13 below, TLOU2 13 below, DS 47 BELOW, DG 11 below, GoW2018 14 below.

Halo Infinite 8 above (and he said he wanted to give 100, but decided to hold because he saw 2 or 3 issues on the game, and later said he would reduce to like 65 because his 95 was based on he giving a good faith score believing the post-launch would be great and now he saw it wasn't), FH5 8 above (but no problem here since a 10 for a game you love is ok), Bleeding Edge 14 above, SoD2 14 above.

Can you with a straight face tell use SoD2 and BE is better than HFW, ULT, DSR, BB, GoT, DS, DG and equal to TLOU2 and GoW?

Yeah, the website is a joke. No matter who your bias is for or against, you will never earn or deserve credibility when it’s this bad.

Last edited by pitzy272 - on 08 November 2022

Runa216 said:
smroadkill15 said:

I'm not here to defend Stevivor or any of their reviews. I'm saying, ignore the damn reviews you don't agree with. I'm sure if I did some real research, I could find a reviewer(s) that gives most PS games all 9-10 and most Xbox games 6-8 scores. Getting upset over 1 reviewer giving scores less than the average is not worth getting upset over. 

Also, not every score is weighted the same. An indie game that scores a 9 and a AAA titles like GoT can score 8.5, but that doesn't mean the indie game is better. The only Xbox title that scored certainly higher marks than it deserved was Bleeding Edge from the list you gave.

This comparison list is also missing some notable games from both Xbox and PS:

Sea of Thieves 4/10
Crackdown 4/10
Battletoads 5.5/10
Killer Instinct 7.5/10
Gears of war 4 8/10

Spider-man 9.5/10
Miles Morales 9.5/10
Uncharted 4 9.5/10
Horizon Zero Dawn The Frozen Wilds 9/10
InFamous Second son 8/10
Shadow of the Colossus 8.5/10

Basically, the comparison list you showed is nitpicked and if included every Xbox/PS game, it defeats the narrative that's been created. 

We're literally talking about Meta scores, I'm not pretending I care about their scores of Stevior PERSONALLY, just that they tend to have quite the impact on the meta and there's a clear bias. 

Yes, there are a handful of exceptions. There always are. But you had to go back to the beginning of the PS4 era to find 5 games they reviewed fairly. InFamous Second son got 8/10 across the board. Shadow of the Colossus got 92. All of these reviews were simply 'on par' or 'within range' of the average. While they have notoriously given a bunch of PS games that were well-liked middling scores and a lot of Xbox games that were mediocrely reviewed high scores. Showing that sometimes they also review games with a score closer to the average does not devalue the point made. They still generally give higher scores to Xbox games and lower scores to PS games. 

WHICH IS FINE. But it's a clear bias that I'm expecting to see. They're called troll reviews because we're all well aware that they're there for attention first and foremost. They may very well be what the reviewer actually believes, but showing such a blatant bias sitewide is pretty unprofessional. 

And cut it out with this 'you're just stoking the flames of console wars' nonsense. some of my favourite games of this year and past years are Ori, Tunic, and Cuphead, all games associated primarily with the Xbox Brand. Like I said, I personally wouldn't review many Xbox games right now becuase pretty much all they're releasing anymore is Halo, Gears, and Forza, none of which I find all that appealing. But I also acknowledge that and I'm an individual, not a website, so I wouldn't be seeking those reviews. An individual having a preference is also quite fine, but when it's a whole website? Not really professional. 

Even OutsideXbox and OutsideXtra on youtube praise Sony and Nintendo games. Even Phil Spencer praises Sony and Nintendo when they do well. THAT is professionalism. What Stevior does is clear bias.

I share your sentiment on this topic. As I said before, a website with such severe bias should not be eligible for Metacritic—no matter who the bias is against or for. It’s absolutely unprofessional, and they don’t deserve to be validated and taken seriously. Stevivor’s bias is unequivocal and undeniable.



Has anyone seen the streaming that’s been happening of the first two hours of GoWR? I can’t think of a single reason as to why, after 4.5y of Sony holding every detail of this game close to the chest, that they would allow live-streaming of the first two hours THE DAY BEFORE RELEASE. Sometimes I truly feel like Sony is run by incompetents.

Anyone else confused by this?



pitzy272 said:

Has anyone seen the streaming that’s been happening of the first two hours of GoWR? I can’t think of a single reason as to why, after 4.5y of Sony holding every detail of this game close to the chest, that they would allow live-streaming of the first two hours THE DAY BEFORE RELEASE. Sometimes I truly feel like Sony is run by incompetents.

Anyone else confused by this?

It depends, does he streamed the game in Australia?

It’s Wednesday already in here 



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kazuyamishima said:
pitzy272 said:

Has anyone seen the streaming that’s been happening of the first two hours of GoWR? I can’t think of a single reason as to why, after 4.5y of Sony holding every detail of this game close to the chest, that they would allow live-streaming of the first two hours THE DAY BEFORE RELEASE. Sometimes I truly feel like Sony is run by incompetents.

Anyone else confused by this?

It depends, does he streamed the game in Australia?

It’s Wednesday already in here 

It’s actually major websites like IGN in the US. Sony also released the footage for the first 2h themselves. Seems so nonsensical and odd to me.  



smroadkill15 said:



Runa, you stoke the flames way more than you want to admit.

i know my edit was perfect



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pitzy272 said:

Has anyone seen the streaming that’s been happening of the first two hours of GoWR? I can’t think of a single reason as to why, after 4.5y of Sony holding every detail of this game close to the chest, that they would allow live-streaming of the first two hours THE DAY BEFORE RELEASE. Sometimes I truly feel like Sony is run by incompetents.

Anyone else confused by this?

It was out in Australia when the streaming started. I think that was the thought process behind it. 



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PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

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Less than half an hour to launch for me! And as much as I'm excited I might be too tired to appreciate it. I tried staying up for Elden Ring and made it out of the tutorial but having a Husky makes dealing with this hard :P



My Console Library:

PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

I still have to play the first one, lol. It's rotting in my steam library and I honestly wanted to play it. But right now I first have to end my marathon of playing each and every mainline Tomb Raider game ever released. I'm currently at Tomb Raider 2. And those games are freaking looooong!

So yeah, by the time I will be through the first title, Ragnarok should be available on Steam. Nice to see that it gets good reviews. Not that I would care.



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