smroadkill15 said: This will be my last comment in this thread because I don't want to derail it. My point is, I don't see nearly the bias some are claiming. Especially when you post a very cherry-picked comparison. Breaking down the point difference between meta and their review score is trivial when everything based on personal opinions/experiences. Once again, ignore the scores you don't agree with. |
You not seeing the bias is not the same as the bias not being there.
Also, it wasn't Cherry-Picked. It was a series of examples that proved the point. Your counter-point, which was YOUR cherry-picked (if ours was cherry picked, so was yours) series of data points, didn't speak to the argument you were trying to make.
Yes, we know how subjective opinions work. THAT IS LITERALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF OUR ARGUMENT. That their subjective opinions over on Stevior tend to favour Xbox games and are extra critical of PS games. I mean, yeah. That's pretty straight forward.
And I think you're overselling my 'stoking of the flames'. I have an opinion just like anyone else. I present data and facts and examples to support that opinion, because most of my opinions are based heavily on where the facts lie. IT's not my fault that the facts show that Xbox isn't doing as well as PS in terms of the categories I care about (Exclusive games in terms of quality, quantity, variety, and consistency, as well as gaming features and controller features, etc). I've never once sat over here and tried to claim that PS5 is stronger or has more raw power/capability than the Xbox Series X, because the facts don't support that claim at all. There's clear disparity between the two major consoles in terms of their exclusive games, their console features, and their services. This is a fact. Yet everywhere I look I see people making shit up or misrepresenting the data or completely disregarding the data I've compiled because it doesn't mesh with their opinions on the matter. That's remarkably frustrating.
I have, on so many occasions, made charts and compiled data about exclusives and consistency and made points about successfully launching new franchises, and every time I do I have someone trying to act like my data isn't fair. "Oh, you just cherry-picked' they say, or 'you manipulated the data' when that's not my style at all. I always use the same rules to compile my data for all brands and consoles regardless of my personal biases (of which I do not try to hide). I'm just getting increasingly frustrated that it doesn't seem to matter where I go or what I do or whether I'm actively involved or not, half the population (Regardless of what the actual facts say on whatever topic is dividing us) seem to just not want to believe the truth. Nobody cares about the data when it doesn't support their opinion, and in the realm of politics we have people denying science because their limited understanding of something doesn't seem to collaborate with the facts and the data so it's easier to say the scientists are wrong rather than accept maybe they aren't as smart as they think they are.
And in this thread, a throw-away line about a website with a bias turned into ANOTHER argument about console wars. Even though the facts are there. Even though the numbers support my claim. Even though it's a fairly well-known bias in that particular website. My statement is made with a pretty basic, fair sense of self assurance. A factual statement backed by numbers. And yet here we are arguing over semantics because I pointed out that, historically, Stevior has been known to give higher scores to Xbox games than PS games. Which is a fact. Supported by consistent data.
And somehow that's me stoking the fires. Making a factually accurate statement that supports one side over another regarding a clearly defined bias in one particular publication. You don't get to act like I'm being biased because the facts support my claim. You're looking at the chain of causality wrong. But then again, these last 6 years or so has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't matter how right you are, how accurate your facts are, how clear your numbers are, or how reasonable it is to have the opinions you have based on those facts and figures, someone will always be out to turn it into some sort of tribalistic nonsense.
And I know that, while this thread was supposed to be about god of War reviews and my statement was about bias from Stevior (And others, but mostly them since they're the worst for it), I also know your jabs at me are in response to things I've said in other threads. So let me be clear about that: I do not hate Microsoft or Xbox and I don't seek out excuses to be critical of them or shit on Xbox or their consoles. I do, however, fixate a lot on numbers and trends and patterns (So much so that I actively studied box office history for nearly 20 years before BoxOfficeMojo turned to shit and the pandemic happened), and the numbers and trends over the last 5-10 years over on Xbox/microsoft is that they just aren't releasing many games that are exclusive to their console. I keep track of this data and have for a while, and ever since the Switch came out Xbox has been failing miserably in this category, which I personally feel is one of the most important categories when it comes to making a games console. Both from an objective and subjective standpoint. I am critical of them becuase they are doing poorly and need to do better, not becuase of some stupid grudge or console gripe or some shit.
Numbers are numbers. Patterns are patterns. Stats and trends are stats and trends. And facts are facts.
You can have a subjective opinion on whether each of these patterns, numbers, stats, trends, or facts matter to your personal tastes, but that doesn't change the objective truth.
I've actively tried to keep about 75% of my opinion out of these conversations because every time I do I get banned or warned or have three quarters of the forum telling me I'm a fanboy. If anything I'm a Nintendo fanboy, but whatever. This is a very Xbox heavy forum, I've noticed. By sheer passive observation I've seen that of the three major brands, criticism of Xbox is most heavily punished regardless. But of course I'll get arguments there, too, even though I'm not the only one to have seen and noticed this.
Biases are okay. We all have them. But holy crap people are fragile.
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PS5, Switch, XSX
PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360
3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android