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ZyroXZ2 said:
Kyuu said:

1. PS+ and Now (Extra) are older than Game Pass and they don't compete directly.

2. I fail to see how 5 hours of Cyberpunk trial isn't enough, we're getting a bit greedy there I feel. Game Trials looks like a neat feature but admittedly I know very little about it.

3. Unless I missed it, you forgot to mention that base GamePass ($120 annually) doesn't provide access to online multiplayer which all PS+ tiers do. Afaik that requires GamePass Ultimate ($180 annually) or Xbox Live Gold (which is awful compared to PS+ Essential).

The rest of the video is fine and informative.

Edit:

Another advantage PS+ has is that the monthly Essential tier games are permanently locked to your account once you add them to your library, these are potentially hundreds (?) of additional games on top of the 700+ Extra library. The same can be said about Xbox Live Gold but that service doesn't hold a candle to PS+ Essential which it directly competes against.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

Well I'm glad you survived that :P

Subscribing is required of course but PS+ Essential and Live Gold have an advantage over PS+ Extra/Premium/Collection and GamePass in that when a game gets delisted, you could still play them if you had them added to your library (You can't do that with premium services afaik). So the active players who are adding every game on PS+ Essential have access to a much greater number of games than 700. Yes, this does apply to Live Gold as well, but as I mentioned, Live Gold is trash compared to PS+ Essential.

PS+ Essential (cheap entry level service) remains Sony's primary service, as opposed to GamePass (expensive premium service) being Microsoft's main focus. MS blatantly tried to double the price of Live Gold to artificially make Game Pass Ultimate more appealing and speed up the transition from a terrible entry level service (Weaker than PS+ Essential but twice the price). But the backlash forced them to reverse.



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Geei, I don't know. Is Disney+ a copycat of Netflix? Is Burger King a copycat of McDonald's? It's almost like there's competition in different fields based on a similar concept or something.



SvennoJ said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

PS+ started with 2, sometimes 3 'free' games per month, build your library. It's not free, it's rentals until you stop paying, same as gamepass. Well not exactly the same, ps+ never removes games from your library. PS+ also started with 1 hour trials and of course discounts. PS+ even experimented with making the game available a couple days earlier to subscribers.

PS+ was/is the download part which was also extended to PS Now. Probably as a reaction to GP, or maybe it was in the cards already. It's cheaper for Sony when you use your own hardware to run the game...

Ah, you're somewhat mixing things up a bit, but that's not entirely your fault: if you compare to XBL, then you can only compare to Essential (which is the old PS+, basically).  I guess it's also my fault that I didn't add that bit of clarity: I assumed that if I was comparing Game Pass, people would know I'm talking Extra and Premium PS+ tiers and not Essential (which is the tier I'm subbed at because it basically carries over).  Then again, when XBL started adding free games, there were some good ones, too.  Both of them, however, I felt always offered subpar free games with the occasional gems over the course of an entire year.  Naturally, they weren't going to offer the good stuff, which is kind of how Game Pass and PS+ tiers came to be when you stop and think about it.  If you WANT the good stuff, you gotta pay more lol

Overall, though, comparing XBL and PS+ are pretty close, they both have (mostly garbage) free games, they both have sales, at that level, comparing is almost useless.  But you might want to read my response to Kyuu below...

Kyuu said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

Well I'm glad you survived that :P

Subscribing is required of course but PS+ Essential and Live Gold have an advantage over PS+ Extra/Premium/Collection and GamePass in that when a game gets delisted, you could still play them if you had them added to your library (You can't do that with premium services afaik). So the active players who are adding every game on PS+ Essential have access to a much greater number of games than 700. Yes, this does apply to Live Gold as well, but as I mentioned, Live Gold is trash compared to PS+ Essential.

PS+ Essential (cheap entry level service) remains Sony's primary service, as opposed to GamePass (expensive premium service) being Microsoft's main focus. MS blatantly tried to double the price of Live Gold to artificially make Game Pass Ultimate more appealing and speed up the transition from a terrible entry level service (Weaker than PS+ Essential but twice the price). But the backlash forced them to reverse.

Here's something you missed, hopefully you can survive this: MS provides cloud saves to ALL XB accounts, period.  Sony locks cloud saves behind PS+ which means you only get cloud saves if you are a PS+ sub.  All XB accounts get cloud saves whether they're subbed to XBL or not.

That has actually come quite in handy, too: I can load up games I played on the XB1 on my XSX, and *bam* it's right where I left off.  In fact, I've seen some people find out that their X360 saves are still there, too, for games they haven't played in decades!  If we start going on a tangent here, MS has actually offered far more robust online services far earlier than Sony has, and let's not forget, they're the ones that pushed online console play and achievements, so while PS+ started later and provided better than XBL Gold, XB accounts were supplied with far better features overall from the very start.



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ZyroXZ2 said:
SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with 2, sometimes 3 'free' games per month, build your library. It's not free, it's rentals until you stop paying, same as gamepass. Well not exactly the same, ps+ never removes games from your library. PS+ also started with 1 hour trials and of course discounts. PS+ even experimented with making the game available a couple days earlier to subscribers.

PS+ was/is the download part which was also extended to PS Now. Probably as a reaction to GP, or maybe it was in the cards already. It's cheaper for Sony when you use your own hardware to run the game...

Ah, you're somewhat mixing things up a bit, but that's not entirely your fault: if you compare to XBL, then you can only compare to Essential (which is the old PS+, basically).  I guess it's also my fault that I didn't add that bit of clarity: I assumed that if I was comparing Game Pass, people would know I'm talking Extra and Premium PS+ tiers and not Essential (which is the tier I'm subbed at because it basically carries over).  Then again, when XBL started adding free games, there were some good ones, too.  Both of them, however, I felt always offered subpar free games with the occasional gems over the course of an entire year.  Naturally, they weren't going to offer the good stuff, which is kind of how Game Pass and PS+ tiers came to be when you stop and think about it.  If you WANT the good stuff, you gotta pay more lol

Overall, though, comparing XBL and PS+ are pretty close, they both have (mostly garbage) free games, they both have sales, at that level, comparing is almost useless.  But you might want to read my response to Kyuu below...

Kyuu said:

Well I'm glad you survived that :P

Subscribing is required of course but PS+ Essential and Live Gold have an advantage over PS+ Extra/Premium/Collection and GamePass in that when a game gets delisted, you could still play them if you had them added to your library (You can't do that with premium services afaik). So the active players who are adding every game on PS+ Essential have access to a much greater number of games than 700. Yes, this does apply to Live Gold as well, but as I mentioned, Live Gold is trash compared to PS+ Essential.

PS+ Essential (cheap entry level service) remains Sony's primary service, as opposed to GamePass (expensive premium service) being Microsoft's main focus. MS blatantly tried to double the price of Live Gold to artificially make Game Pass Ultimate more appealing and speed up the transition from a terrible entry level service (Weaker than PS+ Essential but twice the price). But the backlash forced them to reverse.

Here's something you missed, hopefully you can survive this: MS provides cloud saves to ALL XB accounts, period.  Sony locks cloud saves behind PS+ which means you only get cloud saves if you are a PS+ sub.  All XB accounts get cloud saves whether they're subbed to XBL or not.

That has actually come quite in handy, too: I can load up games I played on the XB1 on my XSX, and *bam* it's right where I left off.  In fact, I've seen some people find out that their X360 saves are still there, too, for games they haven't played in decades!  If we start going on a tangent here, MS has actually offered far more robust online services far earlier than Sony has, and let's not forget, they're the ones that pushed online console play and achievements, so while PS+ started later and provided better than XBL Gold, XB accounts were supplied with far better features overall from the very start.

To most people:

PS+ Essential >>> Live Gold (much better games)

GamePass >>> PS + Extra/Premium (day and date releases).

Xbox leads in some aspects and lags behind in other aspects, simple as that. Whenever Playstation or Xbox is behind in an area, the other being ahead may force them to step up. For instance as you mentioned, PS Now games weren't downloadable until after GamePass. Another example is F2P games. Until just recently, F2P required a Live Gold subscription on Xbox (F2P my ass) whereas on Playstation a PS+ subscription was never required. Hell, online gaming in general was free of charge on PS3 (Sony copied MS and improved their service at a high cost. Paid online MP is why I switched to PC for online gaming. The cost wasn't worth it to me, but to some people it is).

There are advantages and disasvantages to both service systems. PS+ Essential is far better than Live Gold. Base Xbox account vs Playstation account is a sub topic where Xbox obviously leads as far as cloud saves.

Last edited by Kyuu - on 29 October 2022

PS Plus Premium is a step up from PS Now. Until it offers more Day 1 Releases (namely 1st-party games), it won't match or exceed Game Pass in value.



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I've seen the lineup from Gamepass past several months vs PS Plus basic version I actually enjoyed PS plus offerings more than Gamepass.

Gamepass list I cared
Danganronpa series
DJ max Respect
Persona 5 Royal

Games I cared on PS Plus, Extra win can keep these digitals forever . 
Hot Wheels Unleashed
Injustice 2 (Octocober 2022)
Need For Speed Heat Gran Blue Fantasy versus (September 2022)
Yakuza 7, Tony Hawk pro Skater 1 + 2(August 2022)
Crash Bandicoot 4(July 2022)
Naruto to Boruto, Nickleodeon Allstars(June 2022)



Kyuu said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

Ah, you're somewhat mixing things up a bit, but that's not entirely your fault: if you compare to XBL, then you can only compare to Essential (which is the old PS+, basically).  I guess it's also my fault that I didn't add that bit of clarity: I assumed that if I was comparing Game Pass, people would know I'm talking Extra and Premium PS+ tiers and not Essential (which is the tier I'm subbed at because it basically carries over).  Then again, when XBL started adding free games, there were some good ones, too.  Both of them, however, I felt always offered subpar free games with the occasional gems over the course of an entire year.  Naturally, they weren't going to offer the good stuff, which is kind of how Game Pass and PS+ tiers came to be when you stop and think about it.  If you WANT the good stuff, you gotta pay more lol

Overall, though, comparing XBL and PS+ are pretty close, they both have (mostly garbage) free games, they both have sales, at that level, comparing is almost useless.  But you might want to read my response to Kyuu below...

Kyuu said:

Well I'm glad you survived that :P

Subscribing is required of course but PS+ Essential and Live Gold have an advantage over PS+ Extra/Premium/Collection and GamePass in that when a game gets delisted, you could still play them if you had them added to your library (You can't do that with premium services afaik). So the active players who are adding every game on PS+ Essential have access to a much greater number of games than 700. Yes, this does apply to Live Gold as well, but as I mentioned, Live Gold is trash compared to PS+ Essential.

PS+ Essential (cheap entry level service) remains Sony's primary service, as opposed to GamePass (expensive premium service) being Microsoft's main focus. MS blatantly tried to double the price of Live Gold to artificially make Game Pass Ultimate more appealing and speed up the transition from a terrible entry level service (Weaker than PS+ Essential but twice the price). But the backlash forced them to reverse.

Here's something you missed, hopefully you can survive this: MS provides cloud saves to ALL XB accounts, period.  Sony locks cloud saves behind PS+ which means you only get cloud saves if you are a PS+ sub.  All XB accounts get cloud saves whether they're subbed to XBL or not.

That has actually come quite in handy, too: I can load up games I played on the XB1 on my XSX, and *bam* it's right where I left off.  In fact, I've seen some people find out that their X360 saves are still there, too, for games they haven't played in decades!  If we start going on a tangent here, MS has actually offered far more robust online services far earlier than Sony has, and let's not forget, they're the ones that pushed online console play and achievements, so while PS+ started later and provided better than XBL Gold, XB accounts were supplied with far better features overall from the very start.

To most people:

PS+ Essential >>> Live Gold (much better games)

GamePass >>> PS + Extra/Premium (day and date releases).

Xbox leads in some aspects and lags behind in other aspects, simple as that. Whenever Playstation or Xbox is behind in an area, the other being ahead may force them to step up. For instance as you mentioned, PS Now games weren't downloadable until after GamePass. Another example is F2P games. Until just recently, F2P required a Live Gold subscription on Xbox (F2P my ass) whereas on Playstation a PS+ subscription was never required. Hell, online gaming in general was free of charge on PS3 (Sony copied MS and improved their service at a high cost. Paid online MP is why I switched to PC for online gaming. The cost wasn't worth it to me, but to some people it is).

There are advantages and disasvantages to both service systems. PS+ Essential is far better than Live Gold. Base Xbox account vs Playstation account is a sub topic where Xbox obviously leads as far as cloud saves.

I see you couldn't survive the cloud saves thing lol

SegaHeart said:

I've seen the lineup from Gamepass past several months vs PS Plus basic version I actually enjoyed PS plus offerings more than Gamepass.

Gamepass list I cared
Danganronpa series
DJ max Respect
Persona 5 Royal

Games I cared on PS Plus, Extra win can keep these digitals forever . 
Hot Wheels Unleashed
Injustice 2 (Octocober 2022)
Need For Speed Heat Gran Blue Fantasy versus (September 2022)
Yakuza 7, Tony Hawk pro Skater 1 + 2(August 2022)
Crash Bandicoot 4(July 2022)
Naruto to Boruto, Nickleodeon Allstars(June 2022)

They remove games from PS+ tiers, too lol... Also, I'm pretty sure some of those PS+ ones you listed are on Game Pass, though I'm going off memory rather than looking it up hahaha



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Gamepass does I nclude online play. The only difference between ultimate and non ultimate is the ability to have ea access and cloud streaming.. Everything else is the same.. I only pay one fee for gamepass and not both gamepass and xbox gold and still play online. 

For me is the ability to have all. Ms first party on gamepass day 1. Its cheaper and there's only 2 tiers with minor differences. Plus it's backwards Compatible right upto original xbox. From my understanding ps3 is streaming and u need the second highest to the highest tier to access ps1 and ps2 games. 

I woukd say the new PS Plus is the half aese attempt at recreating their ownversion of gamepass. If they ever release ps 1 games like xenogears, legend of dragoon, Tomba, ape escape then I may signup to it. For what u get its not worth the pricw they are charging u for 

yroXZ2 said:

kazuyamishima said:

Gamepass is an enhanced version of PS Now.

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Kyuu said:

1. PS+ and Now (Extra) are older than Game Pass and they don't compete directly.

2. I fail to see how 5 hours of Cyberpunk trial isn't enough, we're getting a bit greedy there I feel. Game Trials looks like a neat feature but admittedly I know very little about it.

3. Unless I missed it, you forgot to mention that base GamePass ($120 annually) doesn't provide access to online multiplayer which all PS+ tiers do. Afaik that requires GamePass Ultimate ($180 annually) or Xbox Live Gold (which is awful compared to PS+ Essential).

The rest of the video is fine and informative.

Edit:

Another advantage PS+ has is that the monthly Essential tier games are permanently locked to your account once you add them to your library, these are potentially hundreds (?) of additional games on top of the 700+ Extra library. The same can be said about Xbox Live Gold but that service doesn't hold a candle to PS+ Essential which it directly competes against.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

ZyroXZ2 said:
kazuyamishima said:

Gamepass is an enhanced version of PS Now.

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Kyuu said:

1. PS+ and Now (Extra) are older than Game Pass and they don't compete directly.

2. I fail to see how 5 hours of Cyberpunk trial isn't enough, we're getting a bit greedy there I feel. Game Trials looks like a neat feature but admittedly I know very little about it.

3. Unless I missed it, you forgot to mention that base GamePass ($120 annually) doesn't provide access to online multiplayer which all PS+ tiers do. Afaik that requires GamePass Ultimate ($180 annually) or Xbox Live Gold (which is awful compared to PS+ Essential).

The rest of the video is fine and informative.

Edit:

Another advantage PS+ has is that the monthly Essential tier games are permanently locked to your account once you add them to your library, these are potentially hundreds (?) of additional games on top of the 700+ Extra library. The same can be said about Xbox Live Gold but that service doesn't hold a candle to PS+ Essential which it directly competes against.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...



@dane007 with digital game 'rentals' I mean having to stay subscribed to have access to 'your' games. You don't own anything on ps+. Which is where games with gold has an advantage over ps+, afaik you get to keep those? Oh that's only for 360 games, it's something at least. I do know that when I'm not signed in (and not on my primary console) I can't start any ps+ game. So it's a rental, no access when you stop paying.

PS Now started with PS3 games as a sort of alternative to the lack of BC between ps4 and ps3. It wouldn't make sense to allow you to download the games as the ps4 can't run them anyway. With the inclusion of ps4 games it's only in Sony's interest that you download them and run them on your own hardware instead of using up server time. No idea if Game Pass pressured Sony into making downloads available or merely their accountant :p



dane007 said:

Gamepass does I nclude online play. The only difference between ultimate and non ultimate is the ability to have ea access and cloud streaming.. Everything else is the same.. I only pay one fee for gamepass and not both gamepass and xbox gold and still play online. 

For me is the ability to have all. Ms first party on gamepass day 1. Its cheaper and there's only 2 tiers with minor differences. Plus it's backwards Compatible right upto original xbox. From my understanding ps3 is streaming and u need the second highest to the highest tier to access ps1 and ps2 games. 

I woukd say the new PS Plus is the half aese attempt at recreating their ownversion of gamepass. If they ever release ps 1 games like xenogears, legend of dragoon, Tomba, ape escape then I may signup to it. For what u get its not worth the pricw they are charging u for 

yroXZ2 said:

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

ZyroXZ2 said:

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

At first I couldn't find what you typed, then I realized it was right inside the quote at the top lol

To clarify for you: PS1/PS2/PS3 classics catalog games are all locked behind the highest tier.  Though, as kyuu pointed out, no: Game Pass for Xbox ONLY does NOT include XBL.  That is only included in the Game Pass Ultimate tier.  Thus, you likely have leftover XBL sub that's carried over if you're on Game Pass for Xbox ONLY.

In your defense, it's why I also missed it: I'm on Game Pass Ultimate, and because I "rolled" into it from XBL Gold, I just assumed Game Pass included XBL.  I never thought to look at only the basic Xbox ONLY tier to see if it didn't.

SvennoJ said:

@dane007 with digital game 'rentals' I mean having to stay subscribed to have access to 'your' games. You don't own anything on ps+. Which is where games with gold has an advantage over ps+, afaik you get to keep those? Oh that's only for 360 games, it's something at least. I do know that when I'm not signed in (and not on my primary console) I can't start any ps+ game. So it's a rental, no access when you stop paying.

PS Now started with PS3 games as a sort of alternative to the lack of BC between ps4 and ps3. It wouldn't make sense to allow you to download the games as the ps4 can't run them anyway. With the inclusion of ps4 games it's only in Sony's interest that you download them and run them on your own hardware instead of using up server time. No idea if Game Pass pressured Sony into making downloads available or merely their accountant :p

To be a little more clear: you really can't call those "rentals" at that point.  It is, semantic-wise, simply more accurate to say "subscription".  Rental implies individual items, but ALL of the games are part of the subscription service.  I get where you're coming from, but calling it "rental" is definitely adding a bit of unnecessary implication where there isn't any.  Subscription services have become part of the "norm", now, so it's okay to simply say that the games are part of the subscription, and not that they're "rentals" hahaha



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