PlayStation Plus tiers a "counter punch" to Game Pass? Or is it a copycat?

[ZyroXZ2]

dane007 said:

Gamepass does I nclude online play. The only difference between ultimate and non ultimate is the ability to have ea access and cloud streaming.. Everything else is the same.. I only pay one fee for gamepass and not both gamepass and xbox gold and still play online. 

For me is the ability to have all. Ms first party on gamepass day 1. Its cheaper and there's only 2 tiers with minor differences. Plus it's backwards Compatible right upto original xbox. From my understanding ps3 is streaming and u need the second highest to the highest tier to access ps1 and ps2 games. 

I woukd say the new PS Plus is the half aese attempt at recreating their ownversion of gamepass. If they ever release ps 1 games like xenogears, legend of dragoon, Tomba, ape escape then I may signup to it. For what u get its not worth the pricw they are charging u for 

yroXZ2 said:

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

ZyroXZ2 said:

The irony is that PSNow started as the acquired streaming service which many people, myself included, absolutely hated.  Streaming just wasn't it, and it wasn't until the appearance of Game Pass did PSNow move to a game download model (even though not all games were downloadable).

padib said:

After all these videos, can I ask what everyone must be asking themselves: what is the gaming 5?
At the end of your video you say "See you next time on the gaming 5", I have no idea what that is.

Haha, the irony is that the channel launched as "The Wii U Five".  Then as I added more platforms, it became "The Gaming Five".  Then, eventually I started a website, but could not grab the domain names I wanted, so for a moment in time, the channel and everything was "ZyroXZ2 Entertainment Gaming".  The name was too long and no abbreviations existed that "made sense", so I later simply rebranded the whole thing to my own username at which point I would not have to worry about the "channel name" because my own username would not ever change.

The only reference to "The Gaming Five" is now the playlist in which all main series videos are posted.  So for people who use the playlist to watch videos, the "Gaming Five" is the main videos I post.  If this makes you curious, it's because it contains all the reviews, discussion videos, unboxings, etc. in a single playlist as opposed to just watching purely my reviews, or just my discussions, or just unboxings which all have their own playlists.

Call it hindsight 20/20, like many people who start out, I had no idea how I'd manage the "future" content/plans until they happened and I had to keep adjusting.

Nope, you didn't miss it: you got me on that one.  I'm a GPUlt sub, so I never even noticed that XBL was NOT included in base GP.  Well shit, a mistake in my video.

I guess I'll just have to die, then.  You did it, you killed me.

*croaks*

Side note on your edit: what do you mean by "locked"?  If your sub lapses, so does your access to any PS+ games you downloaded.  XBL suffers this same issue, of course.  I had let my PS+ sub lapse for awhile since I didn't need it, and of course, any PS+ games I had downloaded would not play.

SvennoJ said:

PS+ started with the digital game 'rental' thing (2010), wasn't required for online until ps4. But there's probably an older version.
Games with Gold started 2013 Gamepass started 2017, after EA Access 2014.
OnLive started with streaming in 2010, which PS Now took over in 2014. XBox Cloud Gaming started 2020.

PS+ tiers are just a name change to bring it all under the same name.
Gamepass is simply PS+/PS Now/EA Access on steroids with MS money backing it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. We're currently in the extend phase.

The bit I replied above to the other post: PSNow stayed a streaming service until Game Pass was already out, and then they moved to a download format (though not all titles were available for download).  Believe it or not, Game Pass DID come in and force Sony to make a change to their already offered services because EA Access sure as hell didn't lo...  If anything, Game Pass could be credited with pressuring PSNow to shift to downloads.  Competition is always a good thing!

I do NOT, however, remember "game rentals" in PS+.  Did I miss something?  Admittedly, I didn't sign up for PS+ until it was required for online play, though it still happened before I ever signed up for XBL...

At first I couldn't find what you typed, then I realized it was right inside the quote at the top lol

To clarify for you: PS1/PS2/PS3 classics catalog games are all locked behind the highest tier.  Though, as kyuu pointed out, no: Game Pass for Xbox ONLY does NOT include XBL.  That is only included in the Game Pass Ultimate tier.  Thus, you likely have leftover XBL sub that's carried over if you're on Game Pass for Xbox ONLY.

In your defense, it's why I also missed it: I'm on Game Pass Ultimate, and because I "rolled" into it from XBL Gold, I just assumed Game Pass included XBL.  I never thought to look at only the basic Xbox ONLY tier to see if it didn't.

SvennoJ said:

@dane007 with digital game 'rentals' I mean having to stay subscribed to have access to 'your' games. You don't own anything on ps+. Which is where games with gold has an advantage over ps+, afaik you get to keep those? Oh that's only for 360 games, it's something at least. I do know that when I'm not signed in (and not on my primary console) I can't start any ps+ game. So it's a rental, no access when you stop paying.

PS Now started with PS3 games as a sort of alternative to the lack of BC between ps4 and ps3. It wouldn't make sense to allow you to download the games as the ps4 can't run them anyway. With the inclusion of ps4 games it's only in Sony's interest that you download them and run them on your own hardware instead of using up server time. No idea if Game Pass pressured Sony into making downloads available or merely their accountant :p

To be a little more clear: you really can't call those "rentals" at that point.  It is, semantic-wise, simply more accurate to say "subscription".  Rental implies individual items, but ALL of the games are part of the subscription service.  I get where you're coming from, but calling it "rental" is definitely adding a bit of unnecessary implication where there isn't any.  Subscription services have become part of the "norm", now, so it's okay to simply say that the games are part of the subscription, and not that they're "rentals" hahaha