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Is free speech suppressed on the internet's main public squares

Yes 61 54.95%
 
No 46 41.44%
 
Undecided 4 3.60%
 
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EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

And to put some pressure on Musk, they also blocked payments for Starlink, Musk's Internet-over-satellite service. The Amazon region is due to it's geographical features mostly using Starlink for it's internet access, so losing those clients would be a steep cut for Starlink.

But I agree with legal experts here that blocking Starlink payments is a step too far, as it punishes many people in Brazil for something that they have little to no influence about.

Elon is such a bad dude. Like the worst.

You got a defence for when he labelled a rescue diver trying to help save children as a paedophile because his ego was hurt?

Or when he gives in to the demands of India and Türkiye to censor political rivals because "that's the law, I can't do anything about it" but when it comes to Brazil he decides it's time to fight the law in defence of "freedom of speech" I wonder what the difference is, hmm. Could it be that Brazil is a centre-left government while India and Türkiye are right wing? Nah, couldn't be that! Musk is just a billionaire man of the people!

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We may have to start creating a functionality to embed Threads/BlueSky posts, Lol.

Hopefully Europe bans Twitter next but I doubt it, they'll just keep posting angry words every month, at least Brazil has some balls. UK recently had riots all over the country due to misinformation which was largely spread unchecked on Twitter, Elon did fuck all about it, instead he decided to shit talk our police, spread fake news bullshit like "The Falklands was being turned into a detainment camp" and got into a fight with our Prime Minister, while the UK was being trashed, this motherfucker was putting gasoline on the fire and doing nothing about calming it.

He's so fucking desperate for a race war in Europe, the dude is practically edging himself at the thought of it, if I have to see one more tweet from this fucking idiot along the lines of "Civil War is Coming to UK" and "Civil War is Coming to Europe" since Musk took over he actively engages in spreading misinformation himself while doing nothing about the bots and others spreading misinformation, misinformation which leads to violence, he has the biggest microphone on the internet and uses it to spread bullshit and nobody does anything about it.

He's a billionaire who spends 90% of his time shit-posting on Twitter like a loser from 4Chan, how is anyone cucked inspired by this dude, Lol.

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Alex_The_Hedgehog said:

The worst of all is seeing people defending that dictator who loves to throw people in jail just because he disagrees with them. I can't believe I share the same name as him.

Someone needs to stop this guy, the whole country is at his hands right now.

I'm sorry, but stop him from doing what? Following the law?

I can see why some people might have ligitimate concers about too much power being given to a single person/institution, I do as well, but this is really not the case here, at all

The vast majority of people criticizing it are not sharing this legitimate concern either, just picking their predictable defense of their political side, (much like some people are happy about it for the same reason but in the opposite way) even when they don't even know what they are supposedly fighting for.

When you call him a dictator, and say you are ashamed to have the same name as him, Alexandre, it sadly really does sound like you are bearing a personal grudge against him.



EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

And to put some pressure on Musk, they also blocked payments for Starlink, Musk's Internet-over-satellite service. The Amazon region is due to it's geographical features mostly using Starlink for it's internet access, so losing those clients would be a steep cut for Starlink.

But I agree with legal experts here that blocking Starlink payments is a step too far, as it punishes many people in Brazil for something that they have little to no influence about.

Elon is such a bad dude. Like the worst.

Elon called a rescue diver a pedophile for not doing what Elon wanted.

Elon loves to fire people for every fucking single (in his opinion) misstep. Or just to fire them the first day (Like with Twitter) without even knowing anything about many of them 

He told his employees to go to work while COVID shutdowns happened threatening to fire them otherwise at a time where he just couldn't know how dangerous it is and if employees will die (or their relatives when getting COVID at work)

He would give away a kidney just to avoid his employees to join a Union.

He meets with the dirtiest scumbags to finance his projects.

He tried to fuck Ukraine to defend against Russia.

He fucks other woman while in a relationship and doesn't care about the unspoken rule not to fuck with someone in your company below your carreer ladder.

He made fun about people with concerns that Tesla will need to much water at Grünheide in Germany with "hihihhaha there's water everywhere" while the lakes are fighting the draughts the last years and shrink there.

He deliberately posts not only fake news but manipulated videos to manipulate hundreds of millions of people.

He would do everything to stop non-white immigrants to start a political carreer in USA while he's like "Hey Donny you know we will lead USA thank's in advance for the job I will get"

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But sure, he's obviously a very good person because he fucks with as example Brazil's gouvernment.

But why doesn't he fight for the people in North Korea, in Belarus or those demonstrants in Russia who get in jail for saying "I'm against Putin's war"? 

Does he maybe only "fight" where he sees chances for himself to get even more power around the world? Hmmm....



Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:

Elon is such a bad dude. Like the worst.

It's Brazil shutting off the signal coming from the satellites (basically it's IP adresses), not Musk cutting it. He has absolutely zero influence about it safe for what he should have done in the first place. Him grandstanding about continuing to provide Starlink is just posturing, salesmanship and him having absolutely no clue how that actually works.

What does Starlink have to do with Twitter? What about Brazil's own people using Starlink? Screw Elon and screw the people?



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Ryuu96 said:
EricHiggin said:

Elon is such a bad dude. Like the worst.

You got a defence for when he labelled a rescue diver trying to help save children as a paedophile because his ego was hurt?

Or when he gives in to the demands of India and Türkiye to censor political rivals because "that's the law, I can't do anything about it" but when it comes to Brazil he decides it's time to fight the law in defence of "freedom of speech" I wonder what the difference is, hmm. Could it be that Brazil is a centre-left government while India and Türkiye are right wing? Nah, couldn't be that! Musk is just a billionaire man of the people!

crissindahouse said:
EricHiggin said:

Elon is such a bad dude. Like the worst.

Elon called a rescue diver a pedophile for not doing what Elon wanted.

Elon loves to fire people for every fucking single (in his opinion) misstep. Or just to fire them the first day (Like with Twitter) without even knowing anything about many of them 

He told his employees to go to work while COVID shutdowns happened threatening to fire them otherwise at a time where he just couldn't know how dangerous it is and if employees will die (or their relatives when getting COVID at work)

He would give away a kidney just to avoid his employees to join a Union.

He meets with the dirtiest scumbags to finance his projects.

He tried to fuck Ukraine to defend against Russia.

He fucks other woman while in a relationship and doesn't care about the unspoken rule not to fuck with someone in your company below your carreer ladder.

He made fun about people with concerns that Tesla will need to much water at Grünheide in Germany with "hihihhaha there's water everywhere" while the lakes are fighting the draughts the last years and shrink there.

He deliberately posts not only fake news but manipulated videos to manipulate hundreds of millions of people.

He would do everything to stop non-white immigrants to start a political carreer in USA while he's like "Hey Donny you know we will lead USA thank's in advance for the job I will get"

-------

But sure, he's obviously a very good person because he fucks with as example Brazil's gouvernment.

But why doesn't he fight for the people in North Korea, in Belarus or those demonstrants in Russia who get in jail for saying "I'm against Putin's war"? 

Does he maybe only "fight" where he sees chances for himself to get even more power around the world? Hmmm....

False equivalencies, no? What's this have to do with Brazil?



What a nice guy Elon is, breaking national law to protect people's right to spread misinformation. 



EricHiggin said:
Ryuu96 said:

You got a defence for when he labelled a rescue diver trying to help save children as a paedophile because his ego was hurt?

Or when he gives in to the demands of India and Türkiye to censor political rivals because "that's the law, I can't do anything about it" but when it comes to Brazil he decides it's time to fight the law in defence of "freedom of speech" I wonder what the difference is, hmm. Could it be that Brazil is a centre-left government while India and Türkiye are right wing? Nah, couldn't be that! Musk is just a billionaire man of the people!

crissindahouse said:

Elon called a rescue diver a pedophile for not doing what Elon wanted.

Elon loves to fire people for every fucking single (in his opinion) misstep. Or just to fire them the first day (Like with Twitter) without even knowing anything about many of them 

He told his employees to go to work while COVID shutdowns happened threatening to fire them otherwise at a time where he just couldn't know how dangerous it is and if employees will die (or their relatives when getting COVID at work)

He would give away a kidney just to avoid his employees to join a Union.

He meets with the dirtiest scumbags to finance his projects.

He tried to fuck Ukraine to defend against Russia.

He fucks other woman while in a relationship and doesn't care about the unspoken rule not to fuck with someone in your company below your carreer ladder.

He made fun about people with concerns that Tesla will need to much water at Grünheide in Germany with "hihihhaha there's water everywhere" while the lakes are fighting the draughts the last years and shrink there.

He deliberately posts not only fake news but manipulated videos to manipulate hundreds of millions of people.

He would do everything to stop non-white immigrants to start a political carreer in USA while he's like "Hey Donny you know we will lead USA thank's in advance for the job I will get"

-------

But sure, he's obviously a very good person because he fucks with as example Brazil's gouvernment.

But why doesn't he fight for the people in North Korea, in Belarus or those demonstrants in Russia who get in jail for saying "I'm against Putin's war"? 

Does he maybe only "fight" where he sees chances for himself to get even more power around the world? Hmmm....

False equivalencies, no? What's this have to do with Brazil?

You can say this wasn't what you were saying but I think most people took your post to indicate that those who think Elon is a bad guy are wrong. So they showed you some other data points towards "yes he is indeed a bad guy". 



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EricHiggin said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

It's Brazil shutting off the signal coming from the satellites (basically it's IP adresses), not Musk cutting it. He has absolutely zero influence about it safe for what he should have done in the first place. Him grandstanding about continuing to provide Starlink is just posturing, salesmanship and him having absolutely no clue how that actually works.

What does Starlink have to do with Twitter? What about Brazil's own people using Starlink? Screw Elon and screw the people?

You pay for Starlink through Twitter, at least in some countries. Anything to avoid Twitter user numbers to flatten out, I guess.

Starlink isn't the only option for Internet through space, not by a longshot, and the competition tends to be quite a bit cheaper without being significantly slower.

Hughesnet or Viasat for instance could easily replace Starlink for those people, and with a cheaper plan to boot.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

And to put some pressure on Musk, they also blocked payments for Starlink, Musk's Internet-over-satellite service. The Amazon region is due to it's geographical features mostly using Starlink for it's internet access, so losing those clients would be a steep cut for Starlink.

But I agree with legal experts here that blocking Starlink payments is a step too far, as it punishes many people in Brazil for something that they have little to no influence about.

Bofferbrauer2 said:
EricHiggin said:

What does Starlink have to do with Twitter? What about Brazil's own people using Starlink? Screw Elon and screw the people?

You pay for Starlink through Twitter, at least in some countries. Anything to avoid Twitter user numbers to flatten out, I guess.

Starlink isn't the only option for Internet through space, not by a longshot, and the competition tends to be quite a bit cheaper without being significantly slower.

Hughesnet or Viasat for instance could easily replace Starlink for those people, and with a cheaper plan to boot.

So the Brazilian government did or didn't take extra measures to block Starlink, because shutting down X and having it impact all the Starlink payments wouldn't be applying more pressure. If it were Starlink wouldn't still be servicing them for free.

Starlink isn't the only option, but why would all those users sign up for it if it's the same or worse than what was already available? If cost was a concern, why get Starlink in the first place? The Starlink hardware kits are like $500 USD as well, and the residential kits, and possibly others like business (like $2500), are locked down to your country, so those people will be stuck with that sunken cost because they can't even sell the kits to anyone. Plus they will have to pay for new equipment and or activation fees for another service.

I agree that going after Starlink separately, or causing this internet issue for it's people is very poor government management.