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Who is most responsible for Sega’s switch to 3rd Party?

Microsoft 5 6.58%
 
Nintendo 6 7.89%
 
Sony 65 85.53%
 
Total:76

The games I saw back in the day on SEGA devices felt more edgy, and Nintendo wasn't edgy even in their "now you're playing with power" era, whereas PlayStation was always edgy, so I think PlayStation replaced SEGA as the main Nintendo rival, after SEGA had replaced Atari as the main Nintendo rival, and before Microsoft replaces PlayStation as the main Nintendo rival in 7 years after the PS6 tanks out of the gate due to $80 games and no true competition to Gamepass.



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Im going on a limb by myself here, I believe that there’s enough room for 3 consoles. No matter how bad a company messes up, they can recover if there’s a market that will buy their products.

Sega had investors, their own president flushed them with all of his own money before he died. If it was just PlayStation 2 vs Gsmecube, Dreamcast could have stayed in the fight! Once the word got out that there would be 4 home consoles, that’s when Sega’s poor performance became too big of an issue. There was no market left for them to share.

I can’t envision a market that only had PlayStation 2 vs GameCube. Microsoft’s entrance is the nail in the coffin.



Sony, because they made a system that more people wanted than a Sega system. Twice.



I think there are a few options, but I think it was a combination of things:

1) bad management at Sega by wasting a lot of money on add ons like the 32X and Mega CD.

2) Nintendo screwing Sony, setting Sony onto the path of Playstation.

3) Sony's pricing for the PS1 whilst Sega going higher in price.

4) Sony's huge money hatting 3rd parties.

5) Dreamcast not having a DVD player.



snyps said:

Im going on a limb by myself here, I believe that there’s enough room for 3 consoles. No matter how bad a company messes up, they can recover if there’s a market that will buy their products.

Sega had investors, their own president flushed them with all of his own money before he died. If it was just PlayStation 2 vs Gsmecube, Dreamcast could have stayed in the fight! Once the word got out that there would be 4 home consoles, that’s when Sega’s poor performance became too big of an issue. There was no market left for them to share.

I can’t envision a market that only had PlayStation 2 vs GameCube. Microsoft’s entrance is the nail in the coffin.

yep.  No room left and they could have done some Gamecube numbers and focused on profits



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Fei-Hung said:

I think there are a few options, but I think it was a combination of things:

1) bad management at Sega by wasting a lot of money on add ons like the 32X and Mega CD.

2) Nintendo screwing Sony, setting Sony onto the path of Playstation.

3) Sony's pricing for the PS1 whilst Sega going higher in price.

4) Sony's huge money hatting 3rd parties.

5) Dreamcast not having a DVD player.

2) That is false narrative.  Both sides tried to screw each other in SNES CD deal.  Sony tried to get rights of all Nintendo IPs that were released on console.  Of course Nintendo would back out of deal if it meant losing rights to IPs.  Don't try to rewrite history.  



sethnintendo said:
Fei-Hung said:

I think there are a few options, but I think it was a combination of things:

1) bad management at Sega by wasting a lot of money on add ons like the 32X and Mega CD.

2) Nintendo screwing Sony, setting Sony onto the path of Playstation.

3) Sony's pricing for the PS1 whilst Sega going higher in price.

4) Sony's huge money hatting 3rd parties.

5) Dreamcast not having a DVD player.

2) That is false narrative.  Both sides tried to screw each other in SNES CD deal.  Sony tried to get rights of all Nintendo IPs that were released on console.  Of course Nintendo would back out of deal if it meant losing rights to IPs.  Don't try to rewrite history.  

Not trying to rewrite history, that's genuinely the first time I've ever heard of it. Do you have like a StrafeFox video, article or anything so I can read up on it. Thanks :)



Sony, as the announcement, and specifically the overhyping of the graphical capabilities of the PS2 (which were nowhere near that level they hyped it up to during the reveal) took out all the wind of the Dreamcast's sales, which was doing quite well until that point, even having supply issues back then. By the time people realized that the PS2 wasn't as powerful as it was hyped up to, it was already too late to save Sega as a console manufacturer.

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shikamaru317 said:

It was Sony, combined with bad leadership at Sega of Japan. The pressure from Playstation caused them to make some foolish mistakes which really hurt them in gen 5. There were also more direct attacks from Sony such as moneyhatting Tomb Raider 2 off of Saturn after the first one released on Saturn.

But the main cause of Sega's demise was Sega themselves, specifically Sega of Japan, the heads of Sega of America and Sega of Europe during gen 4 told them they were making mistakes with Saturn and 32X and such, but Sega of Japan was arrogant and thought they knew best, even though Genesis/Mega Drive was far more successful in America and Europe than in Japan, their foolish decisions hurt Sega so much financially during gen 5 that even though Dreamcast was selling well in gen 6, it just wasn't selling well enough to make up for the losses incurred the previous generation. PS2's hugely successful launch was the final nail in the coffin.

Sega first moneyhatted the first Tomb Raider in order to get it earlier than Sony, so I guess Sony wanted to take countermeasures with the second TR so that it wouldn't happen again.

In any case, Sega was dooooomed no matter what.



I think if it had been only Nintendo and Sega, Sega could have recovered and there would have been room for them in the market as one of the big two. But Sony's beast was out of the cage and that was that.