Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:
Mehh... I hate what Russia does but I wonder why people never really talked like that in any other war before? Did you call the USA supporters of genocide after what Saudi Arabia did in Yemen? Have you seen what happened there not only once? And it's not as if USA is as dependent of energy from any country as Germany is from Russia's. Smaller European economies may be able to switch to other countries as provider for enough energy (or they simply can provide themselves with enough like France with nuclear power plants) but what is your solution for Germany? Just lose millions of jobs and destroy your own economy and damage it for decades?
You need to have a solution for it and if countries like Qatar say they can't provide you with enough what would be your solution? We don't even have LNG terminals to provide us with a decent amount of natural gas.
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I have in the past, Lol. Also, I have applied it to UK and France as well for supplying the weapons to Saudi Arabia but that isn't really for this topic.
To me, there is no real way around it, we are actively supporting Russia's genocide of Ukraine as long as we're still doing trade deals with them, that's just a fact.
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But you can't simply tell your own population that your own economy will get destroyed and that a huge amount of people will lose their jobs as if it's no big deal. Yes, it's humans who die in Ukraine and civilians getting murdered but with that logic you would have to call pretty much every country on this planet supporters of genocide because of the situation in some regions on this planet and how nothing was ever done against it. The only difference is that we hear much more about it from Ukraine because they are smart in Ukraine and managed to remind everyone every single day how Russia is doing the worst shit you can imagine.
Germany simply is in a much worse situation as any other European country because of their lack of own resources, their decision in the past to shut down nuclear plants and obviously their economical size and size of population which makes it way harder to replace the lost energy provided by Russia from other countries.
So no, it's not really another topic if you call Germany supporters of genocide especially if you don't have a solution which wouldn't shoot Germany even further back in history as what happens to Russia now if we talk about the potential loss of jobs and all the problems which will come from that. It's not just a few companies who would have to take a break for some weeks.
And even if you and I seem to care more about the situation in Ukraine as about what happened in other countries it doesn't change that what happened there wasn't any better and yet countries like USA (or also Germany) didn't even stop to sell their weaponry to these countries and here we talk about stopping to buy resources to provide your own country with energy.
In my opinion we should have supported Ukraine simply with much more and heavier weaponry. That would show Russia that they can't win and could maybe stop this war much faster. And I really doubt that this would start any WWIII
Last edited by crissindahouse - on 07 April 2022