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Ka-pi96 said:
Ryuu96 said:

A russian loss certainly seems like a strong possibility at the moment. Not sure if it could really be considered a Ukrainian win as long as russia remain a threat though. It's got to be enough to ensure this doesn't happen again in 10 or 20 years time.

That's what we want to assume but we have to remember this is the same Russia that leveled the absolute hell of Grozny, the capital of Chechnya in early 2000 because they were initially losing, and where Putin was also an acting leader during that war. History tends to repeat itself. Let's hope Russia doesn't get pissed enough that they haven't won yet and try to pull out those tactics again with this time on Kyiv.

Battle of Grozny (1999–2000) - Wikipedia

You look at before and after pictures of Grozny's shelling, you wouldn't even know it was a city before. A capital city at that.

Last edited by G2ThaUNiT - on 07 April 2022

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Ryuu96 said:

Supporters of Genocide.

Germany is so selfish right now, they don't want to do anything that may decrease their comfort. I Hope Germans protest their government apparent lacks of strength.

At this point EU countries should implement ban on Russian Energies like some already did but also should sanction those who don't.

Germany being the biggest EU economy also means they also stand as the one with the most to loose with sanctions.



Ryuu96 said:

Supporters of Genocide.

Germany made themselves too dependent of Russia in an attempt to pacify Putin, now they're scrambling to get their energy back on track after they shut down nuclear. The reason for Germany is probably because they are now so dependent on coal power that, while coal is rather easy to get from other regions, it will take time to make the deals and deliver the goods that Germany wouldn't have if the sanction would come into action immediately.

Seriously, the "Energiewende" can't come fast enough for them, and now they also have a real incentive and urgency to push it through double speed. This, coupled with a new rise of nuclear power in some other countries like France, the UK and Finland would certainly help making Europe much more energy independent when it's finally done and thus Russia's fossil fuels much less interesting, but when will that be finally the case?

It will buy a bit of time for Germany and Russia, but in the end it will be another financial loss for Russia to the pile. And with coal being relatively easy to procure from other regions, there's not much incentive to go buy Russian coal afterwards, so at least it's a loss that will certainly stick.



Ryuu96 said:

Fuck you Putin.

To put it like the garrison of Snake Island:

Russian President, go fuck yourself.

And for Russian readers: Президент России, иди на хуй



Hiku said:
Ryuu96 said:

How many votes do they need? And I hope no one can veto that.

Looks like the only support Russia has is war torn/third worlds countries + China.

But the big surprise for me was that Serbia voted Yes.

Maybe they're seeing the writing on the wall, and are trying to align themselves with EU instead of Russia.

As its not a Security Council vote I think it just needs a majority vote to pass. - I stand corrected, needs a two thirds majority to pass, excluding abstentions.

Going through the No votes its pretty much a whose who of anti-democratic states. Cuba, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran, Syria. Only Algeria, Burundi and Mali are ones where I'm unsure of existing reasons of to why they might align with Russia, although Mali I'm guessing might be getting some Russian military support against some insurgency in their territory.

Btw - what do the black votes mean? Did not/not eligible to vote? As their are some in their like Venezuela, Armenia who T would have thought were sure to vote with Russia.



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Ryuu96 said:

Supporters of Genocide.

Mehh... I hate what Russia does but I wonder why people never really talked like that in any other war before? Did you call the USA supporters of genocide after what Saudi Arabia did in Yemen? Have you seen what happened there not only once? And it's not as if USA is as dependent of energy from any country as Germany is from Russia's. Smaller European economies may be able to switch to other countries as provider for enough energy (or they simply can provide themselves with enough like France with nuclear power plants) but what is your solution for Germany? Just lose millions of jobs and destroy your own economy and damage it for decades?

You need to have a solution for it and if countries like Qatar say they can't provide you with enough what would be your solution? We don't even have LNG terminals to provide us with a decent amount of natural gas. 



Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

Mehh... I hate what Russia does but I wonder why people never really talked like that in any other war before? Did you call the USA supporters of genocide after what Saudi Arabia did in Yemen? Have you seen what happened there not only once? And it's not as if USA is as dependent of energy from any country as Germany is from Russia's. Smaller European economies may be able to switch to other countries as provider for enough energy (or they simply can provide themselves with enough like France with nuclear power plants) but what is your solution for Germany? Just lose millions of jobs and destroy your own economy and damage it for decades?

You need to have a solution for it and if countries like Qatar say they can't provide you with enough what would be your solution? We don't even have LNG terminals to provide us with a decent amount of natural gas. 

I have in the past, Lol. Also, I have applied it to UK and France as well for supplying the weapons to Saudi Arabia but that isn't really for this topic.

To me, there is no real way around it, we are actively supporting Russia's genocide of Ukraine as long as we're still doing trade deals with them, that's just a fact.

But you can't simply tell your own population that your own economy will get destroyed and that a huge amount of people will lose their jobs as if it's no big deal. Yes, it's humans who die in Ukraine and civilians getting murdered but with that logic you would have to call pretty much every country on this planet supporters of genocide because of the situation in some regions on this planet and how nothing was ever done against it. The only difference is that we hear much more about it from Ukraine because they are smart in Ukraine and managed to remind everyone every single day how Russia is doing the worst shit you can imagine.  

Germany simply is in a much worse situation as any other European country because of their lack of own resources, their decision in the past to shut down nuclear plants and obviously their economical size and size of population which makes it way harder to replace the lost energy provided by Russia from other countries. 

So no, it's not really another topic if you call Germany supporters of genocide especially if you don't have a solution which wouldn't shoot Germany even further back in history as what happens to Russia now if we talk about the potential loss of jobs and all the problems which will come from that. It's not just a few companies who would have to take a break for some weeks. 

And even if you and I seem to care more about the situation in Ukraine as about what happened in other countries it doesn't change that what happened there wasn't any better and yet countries like USA (or also Germany) didn't even stop to sell their weaponry to these countries and here we talk about stopping to buy resources to provide your own country with energy. 

In my opinion we should have supported Ukraine simply with much more and heavier weaponry. That would show Russia that they can't win and could maybe stop this war much faster. And I really doubt that this would start any WWIII

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Ryuu96 said:

The sad part about this is that almost all countries with a big population are red or at least yellow. So the biggest part of the world population is represented by politicians who didn't vote in favor of the suspension. 

Brazil, India, Indonesia, China, Mexico, Thailand, Vietnam and so on...

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Ryuu96 said:

If Transnistria attacks Ukraine then I hope Moldova invites Ukraine in to wipe them out and hand the region back over to Moldova...

More likely than I think that Moldova will use it as a reason to move against Transnistria. Fair chance that Transnistria getting involved would see an escalation - Moldova has a very close ally in Romania who would almost certainly back Moldova in any miltos action against Transnistria/Russia - and Romania is a Nato member.



Ryuu96 said:

None of the “against” votes surprises me, but some of the “in favour” votes do. Serbia? Hungary? The Democratic Republic of the Congo?