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shavenferret said:

April 16, 2024: Russia may lose its ability to carry out offensive operations in Ukraine by 2025 because of a shortage of armored vehicles. Russia lost thousands of its most modern tanks during the first few months of fighting in Ukraine. Since then, Russia has relied on older tanks stored in pre-1991 arms storage facilities. These elderly tanks are one of the primary sources of tanks that allow Russian troops to continue fighting despite massive combat losses. Russia has been withdrawing tanks, other armored vehicles, and artillery from these storage sites since late 2022. These weapons were produced from the late 1940s through the 1970s. Most of these armored vehicles and artillery were withdrawn from service decades ago. Now these weapons are being refurbished so they can return to battlefield operations. Weapons that are too decrepit to return to combat are cannibalized for spare parts for use by weapons factories as well as army weapons repair facilities close to the combat zone.

These storage facilities are being stripped of all usable combat vehicles, including those only used for spare parts. These stockpiles cannot be replenished because of the demands for combat vehicles to fight in Ukraine and the inability of the Russian weapons industries to produce enough new or reconditioned armored vehicles. If the fighting in Ukraine maintains its high level of combat intensity and heavy Russian losses continue in 2024, it will be much harder for the Russian army to maintain its military power for offensive operations in 2025. That means the conventional Russian military threat to other nations in the region is much more limited.

The shortage of Russian weapons reserves plus new weapons production means as long as Ukraine continues to receive military assistance from NATO countries, Russia will soon have fewer weapons than the Ukrainians. Most Russian forces in Ukraine are already on the defensive and Russia has been able to carry out fewer and fewer offensive operations. Russian losses in Ukraine were higher than expected because Ukraine innovated and produced thousands of relatively cheap UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) and USV (Unmanned Surface Vessels) to dominate the battlefield on land and sea. Half the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been disabled or destroyed by USVs and the surviving ships have moved to distant ports to avoid destruction.

UAVs, many of them armed, have dominated the fighting on land by providing Ukrainian forces with constant surveillance of the battlefield and the ability to quickly attack any Russian forces detected. The Russians have to equip their trucks and armored vehicles with an overhead screen to provide some protection from UAV attacks. Russia has deployed several generations of electronic jammers to disrupt the Ukrainian UAV operations. The Ukrainians quickly responded by changing control frequencies or other aspects of equipment being jammed. Ukrainian use of UAVs is constant despite Russian countermeasures. Most of the Ukrainian UAVs are manufactured in Ukraine by local firms. That means one of the most useful Ukrainian weapons is produced locally, not brought in as part of a NATO aid effort.

Russia has no similar internal or external sources of military aid involving significant numbers of UAVs or anything else. Unless the Russians can conjure up some more weapons and munitions, they will soon be unable to continue combat operations in Ukraine.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/2024041601116.aspx
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-Russia is running out of equipment like tanks, IFV's and artillery tubes.
-Strategypage is suggesting that it will start running out of these in 2025, and that the effects of equipment shortages can already be seen (with fewer offensives, although the missles are ongoing).
-This date of 2025 as being when russia will lose steam and be unable to conduct offensive operations coincides with the Estonian plan for Ukraine that has developed a lot of consensus and everyone sees the wisdom in following. They basically want Ukraine to stay on the defensive and stop offensive operations in 2024 so that Ukraine can win in 2025. Here's a document from Estonia (in english) that they made on the matter if y'all want to peruse that https://kaitseministeerium.ee/sites/default/files/kaitseministeerium_2023veeb_17.12.pdf

Russia needs to pull ~55 tank out of stock each month (~75 tank losses per months -~20 new tanks per month); in October Youtuber Covert Cabal counted 3525 good tanks (as in, still usable and not in total disrepair) through satellite imagery of Russian bases (he's also the one who counted the monthly losses in this example), meaning Russia would at this rate still have tanks in reserve to last them roughly 5 more years before their stocks run entirely dry. But since they'll need spare parts, I'd estimate that in about half that time Russia will start getting problems refurbishing tanks. Of said stocks about half are T-72, a quarter are T-80, and the rest split between T-62, T-64, T-55 and T-90 in descending order, so most are quite old.

On the artillery side of things, it looks even worse for Russia, as they already lost over half of their towed artillery and a third of their SPGs. Considering artillery tubes don't last forever and that most artillery types are not in production anymore, it seems likely that this number will continue to dwindle fast, especially with the amount of shells they're firing right now. Specially of note is that Russia seemingly has run out of mortars already, with only less than 2% of pre-invasion stocks left.

Finally, APC, IFV and other armored fighting vehicles, Russia still had almost 9000 of them, with over 3650 of them being BMPs, half a year ago. By then their losses in those categories were at over 4700, meaning that at the current rate Russia now has just a bit over a year of stock left of AFVs before they run out.

Long story short, by mid-to-late 2025 Russia will start to experience some serious shortages in both artillery and armored vehicles, with tanks following in 2026. Unless Russia then gets deliveries of North Korean vehicles (for instance, NK is believed to still have around 3000 T-54/55 and T-62 and 1000 BTR-60) or from Iran (~500 T-72 and ~300 heavily upgraded T-55 called T72Z, 1000+ of different AFVs), their combat capabilities, especially on the offense, will be increasingly limited.



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Ryuu96 said:

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Pisses me off seeing some pretending peace or a deal was ever in sight. 







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One should realize that Putin believes in the world he is talking about. He truly believes that the whole world is against Russia He also believes in his mission to restore a proper world order which never existed in reality. This new order should not only consist of destroying Ukraine and incorporating it into Russia, not only of restoring the empire, whether Soviet or Russian, but also of weakening the West in every possible way.

At the same time, he is surrounded by people who do not just agree with him for pragmatic reasons, but partly believe in it too. They consider the West cowardly and ineffective compared to Russia. This is partly the result of inadequate sanctions from the West, which has led not to a split in the elites, but their rallying around Putin.

Putin is stronger than one might think. He is prepared for his subjects to die and live in poverty at rates no Western leader could tolerate. Furthermore, he can make whatever decision he wants because there is no parliament, court, or free press to hold him accountable.

Of course, he realizes that the combined military and economic potential of NATO is dramatically greater than Russia's. But he counts on the mental weakness of the West, that this potential will never be used beyond symbolic gestures, that in extreme cases the "strange war" of 1939 will be repeated.

Dictatorships are much better at consolidating their strength quickly than democracies. But, as the history of World War II shows, when democracies realize they are facing a deadly threat, everything changes. And with Churchill's words, democracies will fight until victory, and at the cost of enormous sacrifices.

The Self-Obsession at the Heart of Putin’s Wartime Psychology - The Moscow Times



Basically, a shortage of everything, it's a fucking disgusting joke.

Ukraine is not in a good position right now and I barely see the West doing a damn thing, America is moving at a snails-pace, Germany and America are fucking cowards when it comes to offensive weaponry and what Ukraine can/can't do, Italy and Spain sending next to fuck all, France talks a big game but doesn't back it up, UK and especially France could send a lot more.

Countries in Western Europe shitting and pissing their pants at the thought of depleting their stocks of AD or other weapons in case *checks notes* Russia attacks them, it doesn't even make any sense! Ukraine is fighting Russia right now! There's countries which border Russia who are putting themselves more at risk than every single country in Western Europe!

Just a bunch of cowards in the West hiding behind eastern Europe, it's okay for them, as long as Russians are too busy slaughtering countries in Eastern Europe we can sleep comfortably, hey Eastern Europe! Stop antagonising Putin! It makes us uncomfortable when you say that Putin is a bad guy and we need to do more, stop being a war-hawk! Just let Putin threaten your 24/7 and slaughter your neighbours.

Russia has no issue sending hundreds of thousands to the slaughter, millions even, Russians are not going to stand up to Putin, I'm sorry but they're not. Russia has thousands of pieces of equipment still in storage, the West needs to be sending Ukraine thousands in return. 2024 is a pivotal year and one which could decide the fate of the war and Ukraine is short on practically every single thing.

Pretty sure they're going to lose Chasiv Yar next, it'll be no fault of Ukraine, it'll lead to Russia taking all of Donetsk.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 17 April 2024

China is so dumb, all this time they spent working out how to take Taiwan when all they need to do is copy Russia and get a few American politicians on their side...All I'll say is thank fuck Taiwan has been preparing for this event for years and as a result have a lot of modern weapons and are also separated by a natural barrier (the ocean) so a Taiwan invasion would be extremely costly for China even without American support.

Also, if America is whining about Ukraine bombing Russian oil refineries because of "escalation" and also doesn't allow Ukraine to use their weapons on Russian soil because of "escalation" then how can we expect them to protect Taiwan? I mean, China has nukes too, so we can't escalate with them? Oh wait, silly me, Taiwan is more important economically to America than Ukraine and $ always comes before human lives.

America will set China on fire to protect their economic interests in Taiwan.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 17 April 2024