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"Escalation Encouragement" is a good phrase and completely correct.

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S-400 Legendary AD.

Defeated by Storm Shadow and ATACMS (Cluster Variant).

Anyone who bought S-300 and S-400 having second thoughts?

There's your "strike better targets!" America.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
shavenferret said:

April 16, 2024: Russia may lose its ability to carry out offensive operations in Ukraine by 2025 because of a shortage of armored vehicles. Russia lost thousands of its most modern tanks during the first few months of fighting in Ukraine. Since then, Russia has relied on older tanks stored in pre-1991 arms storage facilities. These elderly tanks are one of the primary sources of tanks that allow Russian troops to continue fighting despite massive combat losses. Russia has been withdrawing tanks, other armored vehicles, and artillery from these storage sites since late 2022. These weapons were produced from the late 1940s through the 1970s. Most of these armored vehicles and artillery were withdrawn from service decades ago. Now these weapons are being refurbished so they can return to battlefield operations. Weapons that are too decrepit to return to combat are cannibalized for spare parts for use by weapons factories as well as army weapons repair facilities close to the combat zone.

These storage facilities are being stripped of all usable combat vehicles, including those only used for spare parts. These stockpiles cannot be replenished because of the demands for combat vehicles to fight in Ukraine and the inability of the Russian weapons industries to produce enough new or reconditioned armored vehicles. If the fighting in Ukraine maintains its high level of combat intensity and heavy Russian losses continue in 2024, it will be much harder for the Russian army to maintain its military power for offensive operations in 2025. That means the conventional Russian military threat to other nations in the region is much more limited.

The shortage of Russian weapons reserves plus new weapons production means as long as Ukraine continues to receive military assistance from NATO countries, Russia will soon have fewer weapons than the Ukrainians. Most Russian forces in Ukraine are already on the defensive and Russia has been able to carry out fewer and fewer offensive operations. Russian losses in Ukraine were higher than expected because Ukraine innovated and produced thousands of relatively cheap UAVs (Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) and USV (Unmanned Surface Vessels) to dominate the battlefield on land and sea. Half the Russian Black Sea Fleet has been disabled or destroyed by USVs and the surviving ships have moved to distant ports to avoid destruction.

UAVs, many of them armed, have dominated the fighting on land by providing Ukrainian forces with constant surveillance of the battlefield and the ability to quickly attack any Russian forces detected. The Russians have to equip their trucks and armored vehicles with an overhead screen to provide some protection from UAV attacks. Russia has deployed several generations of electronic jammers to disrupt the Ukrainian UAV operations. The Ukrainians quickly responded by changing control frequencies or other aspects of equipment being jammed. Ukrainian use of UAVs is constant despite Russian countermeasures. Most of the Ukrainian UAVs are manufactured in Ukraine by local firms. That means one of the most useful Ukrainian weapons is produced locally, not brought in as part of a NATO aid effort.

Russia has no similar internal or external sources of military aid involving significant numbers of UAVs or anything else. Unless the Russians can conjure up some more weapons and munitions, they will soon be unable to continue combat operations in Ukraine.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/2024041601116.aspx
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-Russia is running out of equipment like tanks, IFV's and artillery tubes.
-Strategypage is suggesting that it will start running out of these in 2025, and that the effects of equipment shortages can already be seen (with fewer offensives, although the missles are ongoing).
-This date of 2025 as being when russia will lose steam and be unable to conduct offensive operations coincides with the Estonian plan for Ukraine that has developed a lot of consensus and everyone sees the wisdom in following. They basically want Ukraine to stay on the defensive and stop offensive operations in 2024 so that Ukraine can win in 2025. Here's a document from Estonia (in english) that they made on the matter if y'all want to peruse that https://kaitseministeerium.ee/sites/default/files/kaitseministeerium_2023veeb_17.12.pdf

Russia needs to pull ~55 tank out of stock each month (~75 tank losses per months -~20 new tanks per month); in October Youtuber Covert Cabal counted 3525 good tanks (as in, still usable and not in total disrepair) through satellite imagery of Russian bases (he's also the one who counted the monthly losses in this example), meaning Russia would at this rate still have tanks in reserve to last them roughly 5 more years before their stocks run entirely dry. But since they'll need spare parts, I'd estimate that in about half that time Russia will start getting problems refurbishing tanks. Of said stocks about half are T-72, a quarter are T-80, and the rest split between T-62, T-64, T-55 and T-90 in descending order, so most are quite old.

On the artillery side of things, it looks even worse for Russia, as they already lost over half of their towed artillery and a third of their SPGs. Considering artillery tubes don't last forever and that most artillery types are not in production anymore, it seems likely that this number will continue to dwindle fast, especially with the amount of shells they're firing right now. Specially of note is that Russia seemingly has run out of mortars already, with only less than 2% of pre-invasion stocks left.

Finally, APC, IFV and other armored fighting vehicles, Russia still had almost 9000 of them, with over 3650 of them being BMPs, half a year ago. By then their losses in those categories were at over 4700, meaning that at the current rate Russia now has just a bit over a year of stock left of AFVs before they run out.

Long story short, by mid-to-late 2025 Russia will start to experience some serious shortages in both artillery and armored vehicles, with tanks following in 2026. Unless Russia then gets deliveries of North Korean vehicles (for instance, NK is believed to still have around 3000 T-54/55 and T-62 and 1000 BTR-60) or from Iran (~500 T-72 and ~300 heavily upgraded T-55 called T72Z, 1000+ of different AFVs), their combat capabilities, especially on the offense, will be increasingly limited.

Yep, thanks for the extra info.



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Agreed, as far as I'm concerned, Ukraine is the first real test of NATO and I don't care if a country hits their 2% for NATO if they are barely supplying Ukraine, the 2% target is irrelevant if you don't make use it of when it actually matters and this is where it actually matters. Sadly, a few countries don't meet the 2% AND send Ukraine barely anything.

Quite honestly it should be 2% to Ukraine.

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Russia will pull out all of its nearly 2,000 troops from Azerbaijan’s Karabakh region, the Kremlin said in a surprise announcement just six months after they watched a forced mass exodus of the region’s Armenian population.

Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov confirmed the withdrawal Wednesday, according to Russian state newswire TASS.

Under the terms of a 2020 cease-fire between Azerbaijan and Armenia, 1,960 Russian soldiers as well as hundreds of units of armored personnel carriers and other military equipment were stationed in the region. They had a peacekeeping mandate until at least the end of 2025, but Moscow is directing all available resources into its war on Ukraine.

Russia announces total withdrawal of troops from Nagorno-Karabakh – POLITICO



Only 50% of the loan at a maximum is allowed to be forgiven.

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Looks like he was pressured into releasing the text.