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Ryuu96 said:

The Soviet Union lost 20k Tanks during Operation Barbarossa. Looks like Russia is gunning to top that record.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yeah, Poland is going nuts on upgrading their military and they were already #1 in NATO spending as a % of GDP. I would not be surprised if Poland develops its own nukes in the future, it isn't something I'm looking forward to, I wish we could have less nukes in the world but Russia shows that isn't a possibility. It just feels likely for Poland if the West lets Ukraine down and almost guaranteed if America pulls back from Europe.

In fact, they're going so nuts that it's getting difficult to understand how Poland will actually pay for all of this. Those 1380 high-tech high-end MBT alone will rip a big hole in the Polish budget, both for acquiring and for maintenance and future upgrades, especially considering that the K2 was often cited as being the most expensive MBT there is. Unless they are planning to send some of these new acquisitions to Ukraine, their military budget would balloon so far that Poland will be forced to make big loans through the next years just for them.

Poland is also by far the biggest beneficiary of the EU budget. They get like 12 billion more than they contribute.  



Bold move considering Erdogan is one of few who still willingly entertains Putin's bullshit, Lol.

But Erdogan is also the sort of guy to shake your hand in one instance and then stab you in the back seconds later.



crissindahouse said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

In fact, they're going so nuts that it's getting difficult to understand how Poland will actually pay for all of this. Those 1380 high-tech high-end MBT alone will rip a big hole in the Polish budget, both for acquiring and for maintenance and future upgrades, especially considering that the K2 was often cited as being the most expensive MBT there is. Unless they are planning to send some of these new acquisitions to Ukraine, their military budget would balloon so far that Poland will be forced to make big loans through the next years just for them.

Poland is also by far the biggest beneficiary of the EU budget. They get like 12 billion more than they contribute.  

That's because it's by far the largest eastern European country in terms of population, and still one of the poorest in terms of GDP/capita - just Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia are doing worse in that regard (although they will soon overtake Greece this year) - so they will get the largest contribution for a while.

However, their fast growth will also result in that contribution shrinking in the near future. Right now Poland sits at ~20000€/capita, which is about twice what they had in 2012; for reference Portugal sits at 25000€/c, Spain at 30000, Italy at 35000 and France at 40000, and all of them grow much slower than Poland (they all grew less in absolute numbers than Poland, not just by percentage).

So if Poland's growth continues at the same pace as it did the last 10 years, they will overtake several countries and get close to other big western economies, resulting in much less windfall than they receive right now. Which will make financing their military expansion quite difficult down the road.



"We want to know who ordered it"

Dear lord, this dude pretending ISIS doesn't exist has a nasty potential to backfire on innocent Russian civilians.



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The Russian ambassador to Poland ignored a summons to appear at the country's foreign ministry on Monday after Warsaw said a missile launched at targets in western Ukraine violated its airspace.

Poland will decide on the next steps in coming days as it cannot ignore such "a sign of contempt", Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz told Polsat News television on Monday.

Russian Envoy Ignores Summons Over Missile That Poland Says Entered Its Airspace | Reuters

Russia is laughing at you Poland, kick this fucker out of the country and start intercepting any further missiles that enter Poland.



Kinzhal

Zircon



Do it already, Russia is laughing at us.

Fucking Monsters.



Ukraine is a Nazi, Islamist Extremist, Disgusting LGBTQ, Western Loving, European Union Fascist Ally, Led by a Jew, Regime.

If there's one thing that Nazis love, it's the Jews! And the Muslims! Oh and ISIS loves Europe and America! They also love LGBTQ+ And Europe/America love ISIS! They also love Nazis! Ukraine is ISIS and LGBTQ and Nazi...And...And...

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The director of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), Alexander Bortnikov, has said, without evidence, that the US, Britain and Ukraine were behind Friday’s Moscow concert hall attack, in which at least 139 people were killed, state news agency Tass reported.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Russia spy chief claims US, UK and Ukraine were behind Moscow attack (theguardian.com)

Whipped out the "blame UK" card as well.