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shavenferret said:

I can definitely see the Russians as wanting to reconsider the war if the summer offensive isn't met with a great success. Ukraine has had too much aid coming in. The artillery shells supplied and F-16s will be arriving soon. The Russians will really start the offensive very soon, and it's going to cost many lives. They have to capture a few major and several good sized cities for this war to be something that they might be able to win.

The issue is even if Russia loses offensive capability, Putin has no shortage of Russian meat shields to throw at the frontline to maintain positions and for all of Russia's stupidity and tactical fuck ups during the war, their fortifications are one thing they've done good and extremely difficult for Ukraine to get through even in the best of times. Putin's survival likely depends on it too, he will fight to the very end and the only options for him are either taking all of Ukraine, maintaining the current positions until Ukraine surrenders them or he is physically forced out of everywhere.

Even though artillery is coming, it won't put Ukraine at an advantage against Russia's artillery production and artillery plus minefields are the core parts of maintaining the current lines, either there needs to be some massive technological leap in minefield removal technology or it's going to be pretty brutal for Ukraine to get by any of it...Which is why I start to think that the best option for Ukraine may not to be to go through it but to go round it via an invasion of Russia which rounds back into Ukraine but the West wouldn't have the stomach for such a move.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 27 April 2024

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Great article from the financial times: The folks at FT aren't very optimistic about Russia gaining a large amount of territory in the coming offensive, and without further ado, i'll copy paste the article:

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https://www.ft.com/content/1e7204cf-ebb0-443d-9c67-84cba2332391

But with US aid finally on the way, Ukraine could expose the flaws inherent in Russia’s attempts to overwhelm it with low-quality munitions and a large but poorly trained army, according to western defence officials and analysts.

One western official said that while Russia might make some tactical breakthroughs at the frontline, it remained an ineffective army characterised by old equipment and poorly trained soldiers and would not “overrun” Ukraine, they added.

“In February 2022, Russia had a far better equipped and trained army,” the official said, referring to Russia’s initial invasion and subsequent rout in northern Ukraine. “I simply can’t see that it is better now.”

After its initial blitzkrieg failed, Russia has sought to grind down Ukraine by favouring quantity over quality on the battlefield.

Russia fires five shells for each returning salvo from Ukraine’s forces, while the ratio is even higher in some flashpoints along the line of contact, according to Dara Massicot, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who studies the Russian military.

“The aid won’t cancel out Russian advantages this year, but it will allow Ukrainian forces to defend their positions with counter-battery fires and can be used to slow or halt Russian advances,” Massicot said.


Rockets are launched against Ukraine from Russia’s Belgorod region © Evgeniy Maloletka/AP

A Ukrainian soldier searches for Russian drones in the sky © Ivan Antypenko/Reuters
Boosted by a record Rbs10.8tn ($118.5bn) in spending on defence this year — six per cent of gross domestic product — Russia’s arms industry has built up production several times over, with factories working around the clock, according to officials.

Sergei Chemezov, head of Rostec, the state defence conglomerate, last November said Russia was making 2.5 times more artillery and multiple launch systems than before, while increasing production of some types of ammunition by more than 60 times.

Those sheer numbers, however, mask Moscow’s inability to turn that firepower into a significant breakthrough — something Russian experts say it could only do with more advanced weaponry.

Western sanctions have made it harder for Russia to obtain the components needed for drones, loitering munitions, guided bombs, and high-precision missiles, forcing it to rely on the lower-tech weapons it can mass-produce more easily, according to Ruslan Pukhov, head of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a Moscow defence think-tank.

Pukhov said: “The most decisive systems on the battlefield in Ukraine are directly dependent on sanctions. Scaling them up means leaders on all levels have to think creatively and understand the main trends and likely outcomes of the war.”


Sergei Chemezov, right, head of Rostec, the state defence conglomerate, meets Vladimir Putin last August in the Kremlin © Gavriil Grigorov/Pool/AFP/Getty Images
Despite Moscow’s larger arsenal, its army “doesn’t have a radical advantage over Ukraine in artillery and munitions”, he added. “At least, the people fighting on the Russian side don’t see it.”

Instead, the Kremlin is deploying more low-tech weaponry such as highly destructive glide bombs and refurbished Soviet weaponry while deploying troops using motorcycles and off-road vehicles.

“If it works, it works — low-tech or not,” Massicot said.

Even that, however, is not enough to sustain the enormous rates of fire Russia rained down on Ukraine in the first six months of the war, according to Pavel Luzin, non-resident senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis, based in Washington.

Russia fired up to 60,000 shells a day before autumn 2022 — an amount that has dropped to about 10,000 a day and which includes supplies from North Korea and Iran.

Those smaller rates of fire reflect how the intensity of battle is outstripping what Russia can replenish even at those higher production levels — and holding back a more significant push forward.

Russia would need to produce 3.6mn shells a year to sustain the current rate of fire, according to a report published this week by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The defence ministry has admitted, however, it can only produce at most half of the 4mn 152mm-calibre shells and 1.6mn 122mm-calibre shells Putin’s military estimates it needs to break through.

And as Russia keeps firing more shells, it wears down its artillery barrels faster than it can produce new ones — forcing it to replace them with Soviet-era barrels instead.


Russian officials visit a weapons factory in the Nizhny Novgorod region of Russia © Russian Defence Ministry/Handout/Reuters
The US aid does not address what Ukrainian and western officials say is Kyiv’s most glaring problem — an inability to match the enormous numbers of men Russia has called up to fight.

Christopher Cavoli, Nato’s supreme allied commander for Europe, told lawmakers in a Senate armed services committee hearing in April that Russia is recruiting 30,000 soldiers per month, taking its frontline troops from 360,000 a year ago to 470,000.

To raise those men, the army is offering financial incentives including salaries starting at Rbs200,000 — five times the average wage in some of Russia’s poorer regions — and bonuses ranging between Rbs300,000 and Rbs1mn, according to a report by Estonia’s foreign intelligence service.

Soldiers can receive further bonuses for their exploits on the battlefield or being wounded, while their families stand to receive generous payouts if they are killed in action.

Those prospects are not distant: 315,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded in the war, Cavoli said, adding pressure for the army to replenish its units.

That mercantile approach allows Russia to draw enough recruits from people for whom fighting is financially attractive while avoiding mobilisation — a step that prompted hundreds of thousands of men to flee the country in autumn 2022.

“The main approach now is ‘purchasing blood’ among the Russian lower classes,” said Luzin, from the Center for European Policy Analysis.

New offensives, however, would require Putin to declare another round of mobilisation, said Massicot of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

“If the Kremlin has ambitions for Kharkiv, or something even more difficult like southern Ukraine, then they will need to generate a very large force, probably well over 100,000 for both, plus the equipment,” Massicot said.

Even if Russia did draft more men, sheer numbers would not be sufficient to compensate for their lack of training, Luzin said. “We all talk about mobilisation but where are the commanders, sergeants and lieutenants, who would command the mobilised soldiers?” "

https://www.ft.com/content/1e7204cf-ebb0-443d-9c67-84cba2332391

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With throwing out new divisions of cannon fodder led by fresh commanders, the losses from Russia will go from bad to much worse.



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The US has acquired 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan, the Kyiv Post reported.

Kazakhstan, which is upgrading its air fleet, auctioned off 117 Soviet-era fighter and bomber aircraft, including MiG-31 interceptors, MiG-27 fighter bombers, MiG-29 fighters, and Su-24 bombers from the 1970s and 1980s.

The declared sale value was one billion Kazakhstani tenge, or $2.26 million, said the Post, meaning the average value of each plane was $19,300.

US Buys 81 Soviet Fighter Jets From Russian Ally for $19K Each: Report (businessinsider.com)

Probably spare parts at that price, Lol.



Ryuu96 said:

The US has acquired 81 Soviet-era combat aircraft from Kazakhstan, the Kyiv Post reported.

Kazakhstan, which is upgrading its air fleet, auctioned off 117 Soviet-era fighter and bomber aircraft, including MiG-31 interceptors, MiG-27 fighter bombers, MiG-29 fighters, and Su-24 bombers from the 1970s and 1980s.

The declared sale value was one billion Kazakhstani tenge, or $2.26 million, said the Post, meaning the average value of each plane was $19,300.

US Buys 81 Soviet Fighter Jets From Russian Ally for $19K Each: Report (businessinsider.com)

Probably spare parts at that price, Lol.

Ukraine will appreciate the intel gained from how they interact with radar, etc etc



Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 29 April 2024

Stand Strong, Georgians!

Funny how Russian simps will tell you Europe and NATO are the bad guys but all we ever see is countries wanting to be part of Europe's unity, EU itself or NATO and Russia's neighbours wanting to get as far away from them as possible, even Russia's own allies aside from Belarus are distancing themselves from Russia, at least they've been replaced by upstanding countries Iran and North Korea.