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KiigelHeart said:
Ryuu96 said:

A walkback from their earlier statements, but this is actually the first reasonable thing he has said in a long while. There's no trusting him though.

I can agree deploying military infrastructure could be provocative and even unnecessary, we have a capable and Nato-compatible defence force already.

Bolded.

Pretty much, it's an excuse, he knows there's nothing he can do to stop Finland/Sweden from joining NATO now, especially since they're having their asses kicked by Ukraine so he's trying to spin their eventual ascension into NATO as not Putin looking like a massive fuck up to his people after spending the last few weeks ranting about how dangerous NATO is and constant threats towards Finland/Sweden.

The issue with believing his statement at face value as I see it will be it gives him an excuse as to why he invaded Ukraine, people and Putin will be like "see, he only invaded Ukraine because they were going to have permanent US troops (they weren't) and he's not invading Finland/Sweden because they've promised to not have US bases" which of course we know is just a lie to save face but others will use it nonetheless.

End of the day, it really makes zero difference as to whether Finland has permanent US troops or not, it literally doesn't matter, Finland doesn't need them, they're already very well militarised and able to work compatibly with NATO, these "NATO bases" are just a country (in this case, Finland) hosting a military base which has the presence of troops from other countries but they still play by Finland's rules or the host countries rules.

America's nukes can reach Russia regardless. Now when Finland does join, Russia gains another member of NATO on its 1,340 km border which is even more equipped than Ukraine whom they apparently attacked to stop them from joining NATO, Lol. So yeah, it's just Putin trying to spin anything so he doesn't look like a failure.



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Time for the "Erdogan pretends to be against something so he can get something out of the West" routine.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 16 May 2022

Ryuu96 said:

Time for the "Erdogan pretends to be against something so he can get something out of the West" routine.

What annoys me about that is he should have taken his negotiation threats to private messages first.
"If I dont get this and this, I will announce that Im against the vote".
I doubt NATO would tell him to announce it rather than negotiating.
Because up until now, we've had an image of complete unity.
And then this moron blurts this out.

Last edited by Hiku - on 16 May 2022

Ryuu96 said:

Time for the "Erdogan pretends to be against something so he can get something out of the West" routine.

I don't doubt that Turkey is more potent than Sweden / Finland's militarily but the thing is for how alike Sweden / Finland is to other Nato members vs Turkey I'll support kicking out Turkey to integrate both.

Anyway the process to join Nato is long so there's enough time for other member to resolve this petty powerplay by Turkey before a final review.

Last edited by EpicRandy - on 16 May 2022





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More important than their militaries, the addition of Sweden and Finland's advanced economies to NATO would be invaluable. As history has shown, economic and military might are inextricably linked.

Also, "not so unconditional" is I think Please-don't-kill-me-Putin code for "if we continue like this, we won't be China's friend. We'll be China's bitch."

I mean seriously, what rational human being can see this as anything resembling an friendship between equals.





Nuvendil said:

More important than their militaries, the addition of Sweden and Finland's advanced economies to NATO would be invaluable. As history has shown, economic and military might are inextricably linked.

Also, "not so unconditional" is I think Please-don't-kill-me-Putin code for "if we continue like this, we won't be China's friend. We'll be China's bitch."

I mean seriously, what rational human being can see this as anything resembling an friendship between equals.

Spoiler!
You already are China's bitch, Vlad.  Xi is your daddy.


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