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Amnesia said:
Cobretti2 said:

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 

LOL general picture of what happening ? man this is ALL NATO war propaganda, if I would dare to post something telling narration from the opposite side of this trend I would be banned from here in a few minutes. This is purely "one-side" war propaganda, it is not information giving a general picture of the war (which is happening just in my neighbor country btw, and I am fine, I am not scared at all since I am better informed of what is happening.)

I don't think an admin would ban you from the site unless you attack someone directly. As long as you provide a source to it I don't think it warrants a ban, no matter if the information is write or wrong. As I said not everything will be 100% accurate so I am genuinely interested what you have been reading about this war.

Tell us what is this better informed information of what is happening.

@admins: If an admin feels like he deserves a ban for responding to my request and a few others who have commented, I am happy to take the hit so he can feel free to speak up on this thread.



 

 

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I guess the argument pro Russia and against NATO it will be just the typical "NATO just wants to threaten Russia even more and needs excuses to put even more soldiers around Russia" and the awesome "there were referendums in some parts of Ukraine and 95 % of people wanted to be independent from Ukraine so that Russia just helps those people" bullshit.

Sure, there might be some who would like that and there might be even a few who think that getting bombs on the head from Russia is great because they "free Russians" but in the end I just have to look at where most from these bombed areas flee to and there is a reason why most went to countries in the west. Because no, they majority doesn't want to be independent or even part of Russia even from East Ukraine and those referendums in the past were complete dogshit if you look at how they hold them.

There are also enough refugees now I can talk to and the family of my Polish born girlfriend lives around 10km from the Ukrainian border so that I could also act like the guy who just has better information as the idiots from the rest of the World who just eat NATO propaganda.

Or I just look at what happens there and what happened in the past an realize that Ukraine might have some problems but surely not so big to give Russia any reason to invade it and even kill mostly exactly those who are supposed to be those who need Russia's help.



Amnesia said:
Cobretti2 said:

What exactly is wrong with this post? You haven't really state the exact issue.

To most people you would think they care how the war is going? all the tweets may not be 100% accurate but they do paint a general picture of what is happening.

I am sure we would all want to know if Ukraine somehow were to fall, as it would have a greater impact on Europe. 

LOL general picture of what happening ? man this is ALL NATO war propaganda, if I would dare to post something telling narration from the opposite side of this trend I would be banned from here in a few minutes. This is purely "one-side" war propaganda, it is not information giving a general picture of the war (which is happening just in my neighbor country btw, and I am fine, I am not scared at all since I am better informed of what is happening.)

Ironic coming from a guy living in a country whose media is almost entirely controlled by the ruling party. I wonder what your sources are...



As evident by the past couple of days, Nothing stirs up the discussion pot like a contrarian.

I’m going to throw out some opinions myself: I think it’s pathetic that even the West is unable to unify in their absolute shutting down of Russian trade. The Ukrainian people are fighting, suffering, dying at the hands of Vladimir Putin’s invaders. They do this for their survival, freedom, and to be a part of our brand of civilization, and our Western countries are still quibbling about sanctions, continuing exemptions because they don’t want to take on a bit of inconvenience. Fucking shameful.

These politiciana govern by the consent of the populace. If you’re with Ukraine, and your government is half-assing it, tell them you’re fucking disappointed in them. Tell them to change their position or you won’t vote for them, get multiple people to sign. And go bigger, sign a petition (they exist for every western country on every Ukraine issue they’re wimping out on) and share it to everyone who’s willing to voice support for Ukraine. It really is the least any of us can do, those of us who wear the badge of Ukraine supporters, should support in what ways we can—not just virtue signal without taking any real action; don’t bark and piss the floor when the time comes to bite. And remember, it’s your government’s job to listen to you. Your representatives are your voice, regardless of whether you supported their party or not. If they don’t do their job, you have ammo against them, and in the meantime there are hopefuls who will act as loaded cannons on Ukraine’s behalf, and those cannons are loud enough that even the deaf-eared political representatives will take note, because other people are listening to the cannons. Believe me, it’s how we’re getting Greens to prominence, by fucking shaming the more traditional powers. People follow courage, conviction, and honesty. The exposure of hypocrisy and cowardice doesn’t go over well with the people.

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Ryuu96 said:

darkenergy said:

Let me guess: is Jimmy Dore one of them?

I don't actually know who that is, Lol.

Do I got to add another guy to my list?!

Oh nevermind, he is just a blind Tulsi supporter and he keeps appearing on Tucker Carlson. He calls himself a leftist but he is actually a grifter luring in far right viewers like spouting antivaxx/LGBTQ videos in his Youtube channel. You dont have to add him, its allright :)  



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Russia Accidentally Shoots Down Their Own $36M Su-34 Bomber, Ukraine Claims

Tweet in the article with footage of the alleged wreck, but I'm not sure what the correct way to embed them is these days. In the comments:

"First they invade Ukraine without supplying their troops with enough fuel and food to support them and Russians end up leaving millions in perfectly good tanks, APCs and trucks on the side of the road while they walk back to Russia. Then they get their flag ship sunk by a country with no navy. Their pilots miss an entire island, their missiles attack themselves and they shoot down their own planes. If they were not causing so much death, destruction, and misery the Russian military would make a great comedy movie."



"Russia has committed nearly 85% of it's military to the war in Ukraine."

Have they even officially declared war or is this still an 'operation'?



85% is a massively high number.

It goes to show how ineffectual the Russian military is in 2022.
Their technology is old and outdated and they lack quality training and leadership... And that is taking a toll.

World needs to step up their support for Ukraine to the next level and start pushing back.



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It's incredible what a fairly small number of MLRSs can do when their range and accuracy is so great. Of course since massive artillery use has been Russia's only working method for a while, it's not exactly a huge surprise what happens when you take that out. Russia's performance in this war has simply been abysmal.



Many people thought Zelensky’s fate was certain death. Six months in Ukraine is driving back Russia. His bravery has made him into a modern day legend whose great story is still currently in progress.



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