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CGI-Quality said:

You did not fulfill the major request. What historical event(s) within African American community justify the many police interactions with them?In regard to what statistics (and then how it compares to statistics with other races)? I'm not asking as a user, I'm asking as a moderator. Your posts are obviously offensive and to potentially avoid action taken against you, I need answers on how these things have justifications. What is the history, in the United States, regarding African Americans, in a nutshell.

the culture and reputation that African American community have known to have.

Do i have to now collect all the crime data from various Police departments and list it out here?

Isn't there any common knowledge which everyone has?

That second part is also just a guess. Without another party having said "power", you will never know which side wants what. So, there is no point in making absolute statements based on "but one side has it, so all sides would want it". Beyond that, the United States is comprised of more than Black, Hispanic, and White.

Yeah but all the minorities band together.

And Sociology in all Multi-Cultural Societies have shown to be a battle between groups as to who will dominate.

As to what the party wants,you can go through a course in psychology.The other side isn't some alien that will think different,they want the same things as the current ruling class that is to rule.

⚠️ WARNED (Flaming): Repeated generalizations of a group without justification

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sundin13 said:
CGI-Quality said:

BLM, as I understand it, is a black lives matter, too instead of black lives matter less theme. It's to cover the idea that, while black lives have mattered less (in the eyes of police interactions and other racially unequal truths), the movement to the forefront of consciousness is simply to state: "hey, we're humans too". 

Therefore, I take the premise of BLM as not that their lives matter less, but also. Yes, the historical piece is the idea that African Americans have seen inequality as a result of their race for many, many years, but they're taking a stand on it by stating: "all lives cannot matter until our lives matter as well". Thus, its birth as a result of the acquittal of George Zimmerman.

I feel like the distinction is largely a semantic one. 

Not in this context, because feeling "less" isn't the same as wanting to just be recognized at all. The whole point is the seeking of equal rights (sparked more recently by the filming of rights being violated). It's not tagging themselves as simply saying "we're inferior".

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faustian.empire said:
CGI-Quality said:

You did not fulfill the major request. What historical event(s) within African American community justify the many police interactions with them?In regard to what statistics (and then how it compares to statistics with other races)? I'm not asking as a user, I'm asking as a moderator. Your posts are obviously offensive and to potentially avoid action taken against you, I need answers on how these things have justifications. What is the history, in the United States, regarding African Americans, in a nutshell.

the culture and reputation that African American community have known to have.

Do i have to now collect all the crime data from various Police departments and list it out here?

Isn't there any common knowledge which everyone has?

That second part is also just a guess. Without another party having said "power", you will never know which side wants what. So, there is no point in making absolute statements based on "but one side has it, so all sides would want it". Beyond that, the United States is comprised of more than Black, Hispanic, and White.

Yeah but all the minorities band together.

And Sociology in all Multi-Cultural Societies have shown to be a battle between groups as to who will dominate.

As to what the party wants,you can go through a course in psychology.The other side isn't some alien that will think different,they want the same things as the current ruling class that is to rule.

If something is common knowledge, you should have no issue disclosing it. I asked for specific examples and data. "Culture and reputation" are fluff words without support columns.

So, don't make baseless claims that you cannot support, which is now a bigger issue for you. Generalizing a group of people, especially without justification, is not how to go about it.

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sundin13 said:
RolStoppable said:

Still, your study uses per capita figures for its mortality rates and when the same method is applied to crime incidents, then involvement of black people should also be around three times higher per capita than it is for white people. Or isn't that the case?

My post was literally a response to that idea.

tl;dr: If you only look at violent crime rates by race, you may be led to the assumption that this is a good alternate explanation of racially disparate police violence, however this fails to be a robust hypothesis because it does not correlate well as soon as you start breaking down the data (for example by comparing levels of police violence to historical violent crime rates). 

I don't get your point.

I had the time to either read through some of the study or watch the John Oliver segment on critical race theory. Was time well spent.



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RolStoppable said:
sundin13 said:

My post was literally a response to that idea.

tl;dr: If you only look at violent crime rates by race, you may be led to the assumption that this is a good alternate explanation of racially disparate police violence, however this fails to be a robust hypothesis because it does not correlate well as soon as you start breaking down the data (for example by comparing levels of police violence to historical violent crime rates). 

I don't get your point.

I had the time to either read through some of the study or watch the John Oliver segment on critical race theory. Was time well spent.

Feel free to ask more specific questions, but I don't know what to do with "I don't get it".

Note: You don't need to read the study to get what I'm saying.



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CGI-Quality said:

If something is common knowledge, you should have no issue disclosing it. I asked for specific examples and data. "Culture and reputation" are fluff words without support columns.

So, don't make baseless claims that you cannot support, which is now a bigger issue for you. Generalizing a group of people, especially without justification, is not how to go about it.

Criminal stereotype of African Americans - Wikipedia

Also,you are telling me not to generalize a group but at the same time you are generalizing Police as a Group,is there any end to hypocrisy?

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double post by mistake



faustian.empire said:
CGI-Quality said:

If something is common knowledge, you should have no issue disclosing it. I asked for specific examples and data. "Culture and reputation" are fluff words without support columns.

So, don't make baseless claims that you cannot support, which is now a bigger issue for you. Generalizing a group of people, especially without justification, is not how to go about it.

Criminal stereotype of African Americans - Wikipedia

Also,you are telling me not to generalize a group but at the same time you are generalizing Police as a Group,is there any end to hypocrisy?

One type of crime. Anyone could provide a sample statistic on a race based on one type of crime and draw conclusions. That also does not support the idea of "common knowledge", so your warning stands. 

Also, you do best not to make accusations. On top of the fact that you were let off easy with a warning which could easily seen you banned, you are under investigation for other reasons as well. "What historical event(s) within African American community justify the many police interactions with them" is not "the police only go after black people".

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CGI-Quality said:
faustian.empire said:

Criminal stereotype of African Americans - Wikipedia

Also,you are telling me not to generalize a group but at the same time you are generalizing Police as a Group,is there any end to hypocrisy?

One type of crime. Anyone could provide a sample statistic on a race based on one type of crime and draw conclusions. That also does not support the idea of "common knowledge". so your warning stands. 

Also, you do best not to make accusations. On top of the fact that you were let off easy with a warning which could easily seen you banned, you are under investigation for other reasons as well. "What historical event(s) within African American community justify the many police interactions with them" is not "the police only go after black people".

my main point was that reputation is not built from nothing,it has to have some truth in it

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faustian.empire said:
CGI-Quality said:

One type of crime. Anyone could provide statistic on a race based on what type of crime and draw baseless conclusions. That also does not support the idea of "common knowledge". Your warning stands. You made a baseless generalization and this did not fix it. 

Also, you do best not to make accusations. On top of the fact that you were let off easy with a warning which could easily seen you banned, you are under investigation for other reasons as well. 

my main point was that reputation is not built from nothing,it has to have some truth in it

Anyone can come up with some "truth" about any race/color/creed. Doesn't mean we create full generalizations from cherry picked info. 

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43

Read that and tell me why one would draw the same conclusion as you? And it's far more broad (and recent) than what you presented. 

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