By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming Discussion - PlayStation Studios and Nintendo Entertainment Planning and Development - Which is the better first party group?

HoangNhatAnh on 23 February 2022
Hynad said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

We are talking about 1st party & 3rd party games, since when you switched it to the existence of 3rd party studios??? 

Third party studios making games for Nintendo. They’re third party developed games. These games are made by third party studios because Nintendo doesn’t have the workforce to do everything by themselves. The game library would be thin if not for them. And there would be long droughts in between releases.

But you’re trying to say Nintendo doesn’t need third party games to survive, but at the same time, you say third party games are fine if they’re Nintendo’s IPs.

Those games count as third party games. They’re not developed by Nintendo, which rely on such games to fill their catalogue and alleviate the droughts.

By your logic; Super Smash, Zelda Link's Awakening remake, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, Astral Chain, all Pokémon games are 3rd party games.

I guess if a new Uncharted, Killzone or Horizon get made by 3rd party studio, then they are 3rd party games. Tell that to Sony fans and let see how many people will agree with you.



Around the Network
Manlytears on 23 February 2022
Kakadu18 said:
Hynad said:

Third party studios making games for Nintendo. They’re third party developed games. These games are made by third party studios because Nintendo doesn’t have the workforce to do everything by themselves. The game library would be thin if not for them. And there would be long droughts in between releases.

But you’re trying to say Nintendo doesn’t need third party games to survive, but at the same time, you say third party games are fine if they’re Nintendo’s IPs.

Those games count as third party games. They’re not developed by Nintendo, which rely on such games to fill their catalogue and alleviate the droughts.

So Smash Ultimate, Yoshi's Crafted World, Link's Awakening remake, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, WarioWare, Astral Chain, Mario Golf and Tennis and all Pokémon games are all third party games?

Yeah. You correct, all 3° party. Thread here is Nintendo owned studios vs playstation owned studios. Imho,  Partners should not be included, no Bloodborne and the likes for Sony and no Bayonet, pokemon etc. for Nintendo 



GoTY 2022:

Kakadu18 on 23 February 2022
Manlytears said:
Kakadu18 said:

So Smash Ultimate, Yoshi's Crafted World, Link's Awakening remake, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, WarioWare, Astral Chain, Mario Golf and Tennis and all Pokémon games are all third party games?

Yeah. You correct, all 3° party. Thread here is Nintendo owned studios vs playstation owned studios. Imho,  Partners should not be included, no Bloodborne and the likes for Sony and no Bayonet, pokemon etc. for Nintendo 

Well yeah, this thread is about the internal studios. But these games are still first party.



Hynad on 23 February 2022
HoangNhatAnh said:
Hynad said:

Third party studios making games for Nintendo. They’re third party developed games. These games are made by third party studios because Nintendo doesn’t have the workforce to do everything by themselves. The game library would be thin if not for them. And there would be long droughts in between releases.

But you’re trying to say Nintendo doesn’t need third party games to survive, but at the same time, you say third party games are fine if they’re Nintendo’s IPs.

Those games count as third party games. They’re not developed by Nintendo, which rely on such games to fill their catalogue and alleviate the droughts.

By your logic; Super Smash, Zelda Link's Awakening remake, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, Astral Chain, all Pokémon games are 3rd party games.

I guess if a new Uncharted, Killzone or Horizon get made by 3rd party studio, then they are 3rd party games. Tell that to Sony fans and let see how many people will agree with you.

I explained to you the difference between a first party IP and a third party developed game.

Ratchet & Clank were third party games from an IP owned by Sony prior to their acquisition of Insomniac.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why you keep crying over all this.



TheMisterManGuy on 23 February 2022
Hynad said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

We are talking about 1st party & 3rd party games, since when you switched it to the existence of 3rd party studios??? 

Third party studios making games for Nintendo. They’re third party developed games. These games are made by third party studios because Nintendo doesn’t have the workforce to do everything by themselves. The game library would be thin if not for them. And there would be long droughts in between releases.

But you’re trying to say Nintendo doesn’t need third party games to survive, but at the same time, you say third party games are fine if they’re Nintendo’s IPs.

Those games count as third party games. They’re not developed by Nintendo, which rely on such games to fill their catalogue and alleviate the droughts.

If the platform holder publishes a game and plays a production role, then its first party. Death Stranding is a first party PlayStation game since its a PlayStation Studios branded production despite Sony not owning Kojima productions.

Kakadu18 said:
Manlytears said:

Yeah. You correct, all 3° party. Thread here is Nintendo owned studios vs playstation owned studios. Imho,  Partners should not be included, no Bloodborne and the likes for Sony and no Bayonet, pokemon etc. for Nintendo 

Well yeah, this thread is about the internal studios. But these games are still first party.

This thread is about PlayStation Studios vs. Nintendo EPD as production houses, not necessarily the studios that they own. A game that either of them produced doesn't have to come from an SIE or NCL subsidiary.

Hynad said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

By your logic; Super Smash, Zelda Link's Awakening remake, Fire Emblem, Metroid Dread, Astral Chain, all Pokémon games are 3rd party games.

I guess if a new Uncharted, Killzone or Horizon get made by 3rd party studio, then they are 3rd party games. Tell that to Sony fans and let see how many people will agree with you.

I explained to you the difference between a first party IP and a third party developed game.

Ratchet & Clank were third party games from an IP owned by Sony prior to their acquisition of Insomniac.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why you keep crying over all this.

Any game that's produced and owned by the platform holder is first party, whether the studio that made it is first party or not.

Last edited by TheMisterManGuy - on 23 February 2022

Around the Network
Eagle367 on 23 February 2022

People have been talking about the technical superiority of Sony but i think it's skin deep. Nintendo games have a lot of great technical quality under the hood. Like the physics if yheir games abd the accuracy of movement. Sony is really good but Nintendo devs are insane.



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

Hynad on 23 February 2022
TheMisterManGuy said:
Hynad said:

Third party studios making games for Nintendo. They’re third party developed games. These games are made by third party studios because Nintendo doesn’t have the workforce to do everything by themselves. The game library would be thin if not for them. And there would be long droughts in between releases.

But you’re trying to say Nintendo doesn’t need third party games to survive, but at the same time, you say third party games are fine if they’re Nintendo’s IPs.

Those games count as third party games. They’re not developed by Nintendo, which rely on such games to fill their catalogue and alleviate the droughts.

If the platform holder publishes a game and plays a production role, then its first party. Death Stranding is a first party PlayStation game since its a PlayStation Studios branded production despite Sony not owning Kojima productions.

Kakadu18 said:

Well yeah, this thread is about the internal studios. But these games are still first party.

This thread is about PlayStation Studios vs. Nintendo EPD as production houses, not necessarily the studios that they own. A game that either of them produced doesn't have to come from an SIE or NCL subsidiary.

Hynad said:

I explained to you the difference between a first party IP and a third party developed game.

Ratchet & Clank were third party games from an IP owned by Sony prior to their acquisition of Insomniac.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why you keep crying over all this.

Any game that's produced and owned by the platform holder is first party, whether the studio that made it is first party or not.

Another one not getting it.  ?



TheMisterManGuy on 23 February 2022
Hynad said:

Another one not getting it.  ðŸ˜‚

You mentioned that those are game developed by a third party studio. Correct, but that doesn't make them third party games. Third party games are those published by companies who aren't the platform holder. First party means both production and publishing.



Doctor_MG on 23 February 2022
Hynad said:

Another one not getting it.

After reading the thread here, I honestly feel like you aren't correct in your interpretation of what a third party game is and what a first party game is. A game that is owned by the console maker is a first-party game. Suggesting otherwise means the likes of Kirby, Smash Bros, most Mario spin-off titles, Earthbound, and a bunch of other games aren't first party games. In addition, for many of these games that are developed by outside studios also receive the assistance of Nintendo and the head producer or director is often a Nintendo employee (i.e. Links Awakening remake has Eiji Aonuma, a Nintendo employee, as the lead producer). 

Suggesting that any game not developed by a first-party studio is considered a third-party game is also inconsiderate of the fact that outsourcing is incredibly common in the industry too. Horizon: Zero Dawn was outsourced for some of it's production, but no one would argue that Horizon: Zero Dawn isn't a first-party game. 

Much like a first party studio is a studio that is owned by the console manufacturer, a first party game is a game owned by the console manufacturer. Games like Bayonetta 2 are not first-party games because the property isn't owned by a console manufacturer. Arguing otherwise just muddies the waters too much and we end up with a long list of games everyone would have considered first-party but aren't due to very particular technical reasons. 



Doctor_MG on 23 February 2022

I honestly think that this thread has gone on for far too long. I don't think that you can say with absolute certainty which one is better because they are both very high quality and it really matters what your subjective preference is. Arguing that Sony is better or Nintendo is better is just fuel for the fanboys. Which can be fun, I suppose.