I've not seen anyone on my island have one in their pocket, me and Yuri and now you know that slapping something like that in tight pockets can do actual damage to the joysticks, incurring more drift issues.

Why is this so fucking hard to understand for anyone else using the god damn pocket argument?. Why is it hard to accept that the Switch isn't the one side fits all pockets device?. The drift issues alone are a monumental error and still haven't been fully addressed either. 

Whether or not it was directed at me, it was clearly responding to what I said. But yes, we can stop.

Most people these days don't pull out a switch out of their pockets either from my experience. They are all on their phones while they wait.

I don't put a switch inside my pockets because a) It would accelerate the Joycon Drift issue compared to putting it in a carrying case b) If it's in Jeans, walking would be pretty uncomfortable. There are a few more reasons but those ones are the main two. If I am in a hospital, I'd pull out the switch from my carrying case and not from my pocket since I want to avoid Joycon drift. When I get a Steam Deck and if I end up in a hospital, I can pull it out from it's carrying case and watch Netflix or play God of War. Both of which you can't do on a Switch.

And I have several times agreed that it is not going to fit every pocket. I even started by pointing out that it is not a viable option for at least half the population, females. I have not stated that all or even most people carry a Switch in their pocket. Just that you can, and I believe that is a positive thing for a significant amount of people. It's frustrating that you keep arguing against a point I haven't made. 

Nintendo making carrying cases means that some people prefer a carrying case. Tells you nothing about how many people go that route unless you have more data. As I pointed out multiple times. I'm not sure how you concluded that most people use them for their handheld systems. I can tell you from personal experience working at Best Buy throughout the DS, 3DS, PSP, Vita era that we sold relatively few carrying cases at our stores. I stopped before the Switch, so maybe people changed their habits, but considering the increased difficulty in carrying it over a 3DS or a Vita is not that great, I'm skeptical. You keep saying that most people use them. You have given no reason to believe that aside from the fact that carrying cases exist. Like I said, Joycon wheels exist, that doesn't mean many people use them. On Amazon's top 100 Switch products, there are three cases in the top 100 the highest ranking at 17, and the lowest at 84. Although not all Switch owners are taking them outside, still seems like a stretch to say most people are getting cases, at least based on people who buy their Switch on Amazon.

I don't know how you can be tired of that argument, because again, it's not something that I've argued. My argument is that the less portable the system is the less of an attractive alternative it will be to machines that can play the same games at least as well. (Other PCs). I don't think the number of people who would want this would be a large enough niche to make a significant impact on the gaming landscape. Maybe it will still be enough to make Valve some money, I have no idea of the economics.

Drift is caused mainly by the base of the joystick moving against the thingies that are holding it in place. When the sticks are in your pocket they don't wiggle too much. I don't think it increases drift problems much. And I find it convenient enough that I'm willing to deal with the wear and tear. Maybe I'm wrong and it actually is causing drift problems (although not really for me personally as I've had to replace the joysticks like once in 5 years), but even if it is a stupid thing to do, it doesn't mean people won't do it. 

More importantly though, the argument isn't really about the Switch, so that issue isn't very important for the sake of this discussion. The argument isn't about Switch vs Steam Deck. The argument is whether or not this thing's portability and other features make it a good investment over other ways to play Steam games. The Switch is just a good baseline because it is a popular system that is generally viewed as portable enough, and the largest handheld that has had significant success, however people choose to carry it. So we know that the Switch's size is at least not a dealbreaker. With the Steam Deck, no portable that size has ever sold that well, so it may be a dealbreaker, and we're speculating as we do here. Nobody is trying to argue that the Switch is directly better than the Steam Deck and therefore the Steam Deck won't be successful. So overall problems with the Switch design are tangential.

The main argument is that I just don't see the big advantage to buying this over a laptop. If you're arguing that carrying cases are the great equalizer, then I can carry a laptop in a case too. In fact I do carry a Laptop most of the time. The number of situations where I could use a Steam Deck but not a laptop exist but are pretty limited. Too limited for me to see it being worth 400+ dollars to most folks. 

Forget Team Rocket! Join Team Pocket!

It should have been obvious from the beginning to anyone with knowledge of the industry and at least one functional brain cell just from just the devices name alone, that it's purpose is to help further Valve further sell the steam library, and it was never intended by them to be a mass market product or a rival to the Switch.

So when Switch 2 launches and the changes are all non processing related, the pocketeers are all going to be totally fine with that, just as long as it still fits in their pockets?

People don't use consoles of any size or type the same way they use PC's of any size or type. Switch isn't running Linux or Windows.

I highly doubt the overwhelming majority of Steam Deck gamers are only going to play games on it that are Nin or simply available on Switch.

Having a case, pouch, side bag, or small backpack, doesn't seem like that big of a deal if you want top mobile quality and quantity of software available.

Switch 2 will be much more powerful than Switch 1 even if it isn't a mm bigger, which I expect it will be a very similar size.

A case, pouch, side bag, or small backpack can never replace a pocket. The pocket is literally attached to the pants/short. It's basically an extension of yourself. Why use an accessory when you can get more value out of yourself? Value yourself!

Well then it will cost about the same or more. Wouldn't cheaper be better?

Lots of people would rather pay less, no? Pockets full of cash don't leave much room for a handheld though.

Pockets can never replace something like flat fronts. So much more comfortable without the pockets.

Why use accessories?

Good point?..

If you are not wearing tight pants and have a pair of jeans with four pockets then you can easily remove the joy con put them in one pocket the switch in another and have two pockets left over four your phone and wallet. I even have a pair of jeans that have a small pocket on the lower right side that the joy con easily fit in so that you only have to put one thing in your back pocket and joy con sticks are extremely unlikely to be damaged if they are by themselves in your front or side pocket.