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DonFerrari on 12 January 2022
Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

If there is no PS5 or Series X available (we can see PS5 November and December numbers) then it would be hard for them to outsell Series S in the month that whatever is available is likely so sell.

I have seem the USA comments here, and Series S have been readily available for several months already and still wasn't able to make Xbox the best seller.

Actually lack of appeal is the only answer possible, because if it had so much appeal, with it being the only system available it would be selling out instead of being readily available for several months.

You are missing the point entirely.  With the Series S being easier to produce due to a more available chipset, they are more readily available and that is why it is selling more.  People are more willing to drop 300 bucks on a Series S for now, knowing they will still have it for MS exclusives later on than they would likely be to drop a similar amount for a PS4...a console that is going to lose support in a year or two at best.

Then when a PS5 or Series X is available they trade the S for an X or just buy a PS5 to go alongside the S they already have.

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.



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Shiken on 12 January 2022
DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

You are missing the point entirely.  With the Series S being easier to produce due to a more available chipset, they are more readily available and that is why it is selling more.  People are more willing to drop 300 bucks on a Series S for now, knowing they will still have it for MS exclusives later on than they would likely be to drop a similar amount for a PS4...a console that is going to lose support in a year or two at best.

Then when a PS5 or Series X is available they trade the S for an X or just buy a PS5 to go alongside the S they already have.

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.



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DonFerrari on 13 January 2022
Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.

So your point in summary is that for someone willing to get a new console Series S is more attractive than PS4 because it is likely to be supported for the whole gen 9 while PS4 is being discontinued? Ok, on that I may agree.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Shiken on 13 January 2022
DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.

So your point in summary is that for someone willing to get a new console Series S is more attractive than PS4 because it is likely to be supported for the whole gen 9 while PS4 is being discontinued? Ok, on that I may agree.

Yes that is my point.  The result of the Series S doing so well could be a combination of those looking to buy cheap, and it being the only gen 9 console readily in stock (making it an option for people to get in till the others are more available).

So making more PS4s due to PS5 shortages could be Sony's response to the sudden surge in Series S sales.  I am just stating that I do not know how effective this will be, since for around the same price it is basically a console that SHOULD remain relevant with future releases as gen 9 continues (Series S) or a console that will have very limited support sooner rather than later as we move out of 2022 (PS4).

What the PS4 would have going for it, is that it is getting Sony's next big 3 games (Horizon, GoW, GT).  However with Starfield around the corner and Stalker 2 not coming to gen 8 consoles, there are already signs of old consoles being phased out , making the Series S more appealing for that part of the market than the PS4, especially when you figure gamepass into the equation.



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DonFerrari on 13 January 2022
Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

So your point in summary is that for someone willing to get a new console Series S is more attractive than PS4 because it is likely to be supported for the whole gen 9 while PS4 is being discontinued? Ok, on that I may agree.

Yes that is my point.  The result of the Series S doing so well could be a combination of those looking to buy cheap, and it being the only gen 9 console readily in stock (making it an option for people to get in till the others are more available).

So making more PS4s due to PS5 shortages could be Sony's response to the sudden surge in Series S sales.  I am just stating that I do not know how effective this will be, since for around the same price it is basically a console that SHOULD remain relevant with future releases as gen 9 continues (Series S) or a console that will have very limited support sooner rather than later as we move out of 2022 (PS4).

What the PS4 would have going for it, is that it is getting Sony's next big 3 games (Horizon, GoW, GT).  However with Starfield around the corner and Stalker 2 not coming to gen 8 consoles, there are already signs of old consoles being phased out , making the Series S more appealing for that part of the market than the PS4, especially when you figure gamepass into the equation.

I don`t think sony making more PS4 will impact Series S sales... but it could help hold customers waiting for PS5.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Shiken on 13 January 2022
DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

Yes that is my point.  The result of the Series S doing so well could be a combination of those looking to buy cheap, and it being the only gen 9 console readily in stock (making it an option for people to get in till the others are more available).

So making more PS4s due to PS5 shortages could be Sony's response to the sudden surge in Series S sales.  I am just stating that I do not know how effective this will be, since for around the same price it is basically a console that SHOULD remain relevant with future releases as gen 9 continues (Series S) or a console that will have very limited support sooner rather than later as we move out of 2022 (PS4).

What the PS4 would have going for it, is that it is getting Sony's next big 3 games (Horizon, GoW, GT).  However with Starfield around the corner and Stalker 2 not coming to gen 8 consoles, there are already signs of old consoles being phased out , making the Series S more appealing for that part of the market than the PS4, especially when you figure gamepass into the equation.

I don`t think sony making more PS4 will impact Series S sales... but it could help hold customers waiting for PS5.

Never said it would or even could affect Series S sales.  I feel however that people waiting for a PS5 would sooner buy a Series S to hold them over than a PS4 at this point, as that would make the most sense and keep their initial investment relevant.

So if this is a response due to not having a budget console on the market and seeing the Series S do very well this holiday due to the X/PS5 not being available, I question how effective it will be in that regard.

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Conina on 13 January 2022
Shiken said:

Never said it would or even could affect Series S sales.  I feel however that people waiting for a PS5 would sooner buy a Series S to hold them over than a PS4 at this point, as that would make the most sense and keep their initial investment relevant.

Well, used PS4 Pro consoles without warranty are currently sold for more than new Xbox Series S consoles.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=ps4+pro&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

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Slownenberg on 13 January 2022

Woah that just shows up much Sony has switched up their strategy/ability to sell a system for years after it is replaced. It used to be that Sony would get tons of sales for years after a successor came out, now the only reason they are even still producing the PS4 for more than a year after it was replaced is because of a chip shortage affecting the new console. They've gone from being the king of longevity to almost immediately discontinuing their old system.

I guess PS4 will end up just shy of the Gameboy, and Switch will pass the PS4 just before it gets discontinued.



DonFerrari on 13 January 2022
Slownenberg said:

Woah that just shows up much Sony has switched up their strategy/ability to sell a system for years after it is replaced. It used to be that Sony would get tons of sales for years after a successor came out, now the only reason they are even still producing the PS4 for more than a year after it was replaced is because of a chip shortage affecting the new console. They've gone from being the king of longevity to almost immediately discontinuing their old system.

I guess PS4 will end up just shy of the Gameboy, and Switch will pass the PS4 just before it gets discontinued.

No wish to give big discounts and making more profits doing like this so they just made the decision =



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

darthv72 on 13 January 2022

Unless these are being made to sell for $99 or specifically for developing 3rd world countries... I don't really know who these would sell to. 117m units have pretty much sold as it is so whoever doesnt already have a PS4 can very easily find one on the 2nd hand market for much cheaper. I have 17 PS4 variants as it is and I bought them all 2nd hand from others who had upgraded to something else or just needed the $$.

MS stopped all production of the XBO at the end of 2020 to focus on Series production. Sony should do the same, focus all production on PS5 instead of wasting their time with keeping the 4 coming out of factories.