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That's not a lot of PS4's but I'm on board for the crawl to 120+ Million lifetime lol.

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leo-j said:
Shiken said:

As I live in the US, that is the country I am speaking for.  I cannot comment outside of that, as I like to go off of 1st hand experiences.  And the case here is that there are more Series S consoles in circulation than the PS5 and XSX, as both of them are sold out but the Series S is selling more despite being available on store shelves.  There can only be one explaination for that, and lack of appeal isn't it.

There is no other platform available for sale that can play the nexgen/big games . Ps4 is unavailable for purchase as is ps5 . While switch and Xbox are readily available. 

I have no problem finding PS4s at my local Walmart.  Switch, Series X, and PS5 are the only ones that cannot seem to be found in my area.



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

That can be true for the last couple months perhaps. But Series S been readily available in a lot of places for several months now, and during the same period we had like Japan numbers and some other places showing 1/3 of the Series shipped were series S.

As I live in the US, that is the country I am speaking for.  I cannot comment outside of that, as I like to go off of 1st hand experiences.  And the case here is that there are more Series S consoles in circulation than the PS5 and XSX, as both of them are sold out but the Series S is selling more despite being available on store shelves.  There can only be one explaination for that, and lack of appeal isn't it.

If there is no PS5 or Series X available (we can see PS5 November and December numbers) then it would be hard for them to outsell Series S in the month that whatever is available is likely so sell.

I have seem the USA comments here, and Series S have been readily available for several months already and still wasn't able to make Xbox the best seller.

Actually lack of appeal is the only answer possible, because if it had so much appeal, with it being the only system available it would be selling out instead of being readily available for several months.



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DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

As I live in the US, that is the country I am speaking for.  I cannot comment outside of that, as I like to go off of 1st hand experiences.  And the case here is that there are more Series S consoles in circulation than the PS5 and XSX, as both of them are sold out but the Series S is selling more despite being available on store shelves.  There can only be one explaination for that, and lack of appeal isn't it.

If there is no PS5 or Series X available (we can see PS5 November and December numbers) then it would be hard for them to outsell Series S in the month that whatever is available is likely so sell.

I have seem the USA comments here, and Series S have been readily available for several months already and still wasn't able to make Xbox the best seller.

Actually lack of appeal is the only answer possible, because if it had so much appeal, with it being the only system available it would be selling out instead of being readily available for several months.

You are missing the point entirely.  With the Series S being easier to produce due to a more available chipset, they are more readily available and that is why it is selling more.  People are more willing to drop 300 bucks on a Series S for now, knowing they will still have it for MS exclusives later on than they would likely be to drop a similar amount for a PS4...a console that is going to lose support in a year or two at best.

Then when a PS5 or Series X is available they trade the S for an X or just buy a PS5 to go alongside the S they already have.



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People over here i live were actually looking for the PS4 Pro consoles to get to play God of War Ragnarok because of scalped PS5 consoles while the electronic stores couldn't get more PS5 consoles, but the customers were fed up and went for the Xbox Series S. The Xbox Series S went out of stock just a week later then back available then sold out again then back available over and over again while Xbox Series X and PS5 remain unavailable to sell.

It reminds me of PS3 when the console used to be like $600 but got scalped anyway due to shortage and added up $400 more and then people were forced to buy PS2 slim consoles for around 4 years until PS3 becomes normal price plus the slim version.



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This probably means it'll get discontinued in 2023. I thought it would be 2022 but squeezing some extra profit from the PS4 for the time being makes sense and I predicted 119m for it a while ago so this'll help it get closer to reaching that.



Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

If there is no PS5 or Series X available (we can see PS5 November and December numbers) then it would be hard for them to outsell Series S in the month that whatever is available is likely so sell.

I have seem the USA comments here, and Series S have been readily available for several months already and still wasn't able to make Xbox the best seller.

Actually lack of appeal is the only answer possible, because if it had so much appeal, with it being the only system available it would be selling out instead of being readily available for several months.

You are missing the point entirely.  With the Series S being easier to produce due to a more available chipset, they are more readily available and that is why it is selling more.  People are more willing to drop 300 bucks on a Series S for now, knowing they will still have it for MS exclusives later on than they would likely be to drop a similar amount for a PS4...a console that is going to lose support in a year or two at best.

Then when a PS5 or Series X is available they trade the S for an X or just buy a PS5 to go alongside the S they already have.

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

You are missing the point entirely.  With the Series S being easier to produce due to a more available chipset, they are more readily available and that is why it is selling more.  People are more willing to drop 300 bucks on a Series S for now, knowing they will still have it for MS exclusives later on than they would likely be to drop a similar amount for a PS4...a console that is going to lose support in a year or two at best.

Then when a PS5 or Series X is available they trade the S for an X or just buy a PS5 to go alongside the S they already have.

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

I got your point but seems you are missing it anyway.

Series S have been readily available for the past 6 months, not because it is easier to produce, because it was less desired. Even with Series X sold out and Series S available the reports saw in VGC threads had Series S at about 1/3 of the total sales of Series.

Then comes Holiday Season and sales will increase anyway as every year. PS5 and Series X can't really increase because there isn't inventory sitting around neither in stores nor transport or factory, so the only console that was available was Series S, so it saw the increase in sales that would be for others. It is simple as that. If Series S was really that desired as you expect it would also be sold out. PS5 is outselling Series with quite some margin even with X and PS5 sold out and S available, that should tell you that there isn't that many S produced and/or it isn't selling as well as you think.

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.

So your point in summary is that for someone willing to get a new console Series S is more attractive than PS4 because it is likely to be supported for the whole gen 9 while PS4 is being discontinued? Ok, on that I may agree.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

You seem bothered by how well the Series S is doing, so much so that you went on a tangent and still missed the entire point.

The point is that in a world where Series X and PS5 is unavailable, the Series S is a more appealing option for the people looking to spend cheap than a PS4 would be.  If Sony is producing more PS4s to appeal to the market looking to buy cheap or simply have an option where their current console is unavailable, this could be in response to the Series S doing so well in the holiday season.  I am just pointing out that between a PS4 and a Series S, the PS4 would be the less appealing option as it is soon to be discontinued anyway.

Stay on topic please, none of where our exchange was heading has anything to do with what I was initially saying.

So your point in summary is that for someone willing to get a new console Series S is more attractive than PS4 because it is likely to be supported for the whole gen 9 while PS4 is being discontinued? Ok, on that I may agree.

Yes that is my point.  The result of the Series S doing so well could be a combination of those looking to buy cheap, and it being the only gen 9 console readily in stock (making it an option for people to get in till the others are more available).

So making more PS4s due to PS5 shortages could be Sony's response to the sudden surge in Series S sales.  I am just stating that I do not know how effective this will be, since for around the same price it is basically a console that SHOULD remain relevant with future releases as gen 9 continues (Series S) or a console that will have very limited support sooner rather than later as we move out of 2022 (PS4).

What the PS4 would have going for it, is that it is getting Sony's next big 3 games (Horizon, GoW, GT).  However with Starfield around the corner and Stalker 2 not coming to gen 8 consoles, there are already signs of old consoles being phased out , making the Series S more appealing for that part of the market than the PS4, especially when you figure gamepass into the equation.



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