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src on 17 December 2021
leo-j said:
src said:

PS5 was beating PS4 in Japan till recently when there are further stock issues. Sony's global FY expectations put them ahead of PS4, so unless there has been a sudden stock problem, PS5 is simply being shipped globally.

leo-j said:

Let me just say the generational divide in the US between preferences of PS over XB is not as dramatic as it is in Europe or Japan. The 360 era happened, and the choice of platform could move back to Xbox. Xbox series s being readily available, and Microsoft doing pre order gamepass bundles with series X is putting them ahead in sales this holiday season. And it’s looking like with a considerable gap.

Very unlikely. Playstation is simply in a much stronger position. Games like TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon outsold Xbox's biggest IP, Halo in the US. Such a thing was unthinkable during the 360 era.

In recent years, the PS4:XB1 gap in the US has been growing not shrinking.Once stock arrives, I think you'll see PS5 easily pull ahead. After all its selling twice as much on second hand sites while having a $100 premium.

I disagree. They are in a great position with the game content sure, BUT what’s the point if the games launch with no hardware to sell? This is where Microsoft’s gamepass strategy has been genius. Forza is the biggest nextgen game by a landslide with over 10 million downloads because of gamepass. AAA games like Ratchet and Demons Souls barely scratched a million due to stock issues and limitations of platform availability.  Xbox series S is going to sell ps5 2:1 in December just wait and see. The numbers on the major retailers are showing excess series s stock and it’s not just gathering dust it’s selling rapidly , on amazon selling faster than the switch OLED is. Mass market price for an easily available nexgen Xbox with halo invite, forza, and the 3rd parties. Sony launched nothing this holiday season. Deathloop, which is a Microsoft first studio game. And there’s no point, there isn’t any stock. This situation is hurting PlayStation , the fact you can’t sell ps4 or ps5 while Microsoft easily sells Xbox series and Nintendo with switch. This will have an affect on the generation. 

Downloads/player numbers are not copies sold, so you're wrong again. Like I said, MS biggest IP Halo, got handily OUTSOLD by TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon. There's no coming back from that.

PS5 is selling 2x Xbox so you're wrong for the third time.

And a final laugh, PS5 is expected 23M next FY, making it the best selling year in Playstation history in only its 2nd full year.



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DroidKnight on 17 December 2021
src said:

Downloads/player numbers are not copies sold, so you're wrong again. Like I said, MS biggest IP Halo, got handily OUTSOLD by TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon. There's no coming back from that.

PS5 is selling 2x Xbox so you're wrong for the third time.

And a final laugh, PS5 is expected 23M next FY, making it the best selling year in Playstation history in only its 2nd full year.

PS5 is quite a bit shy of 2x's Xbox sales, unless you are just referring to one region?

With the shortage of goods, where are 23 million PS5's suppose to come from?  What is expected and what is possible is 2 different things.



leo-j on 17 December 2021
src said:
leo-j said:

I disagree. They are in a great position with the game content sure, BUT what’s the point if the games launch with no hardware to sell? This is where Microsoft’s gamepass strategy has been genius. Forza is the biggest nextgen game by a landslide with over 10 million downloads because of gamepass. AAA games like Ratchet and Demons Souls barely scratched a million due to stock issues and limitations of platform availability.  Xbox series S is going to sell ps5 2:1 in December just wait and see. The numbers on the major retailers are showing excess series s stock and it’s not just gathering dust it’s selling rapidly , on amazon selling faster than the switch OLED is. Mass market price for an easily available nexgen Xbox with halo invite, forza, and the 3rd parties. Sony launched nothing this holiday season. Deathloop, which is a Microsoft first studio game. And there’s no point, there isn’t any stock. This situation is hurting PlayStation , the fact you can’t sell ps4 or ps5 while Microsoft easily sells Xbox series and Nintendo with switch. This will have an affect on the generation. 

Downloads/player numbers are not copies sold, so you're wrong again. Like I said, MS biggest IP Halo, got handily OUTSOLD by TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon. There's no coming back from that.

PS5 is selling 2x Xbox so you're wrong for the third time.

And a final laugh, PS5 is expected 23M next FY, making it the best selling year in Playstation history in only its 2nd full year.

True, but s streaming and downloads are kind of the future? Look at the music industry, no one really just buys copies of music, they subscribe and download and stream hundreds of songs. This has taken over the engagement, Microsoft is simply following an easy biz strategy. And quite frankly gamepass has gained major traction. According to vgc Xbox is at 10-11 million while ps5 is at 15 - 16 million. And they are selling almost the same amount t right now WW. And it’s looking likely that Xbox will take December like they took November from PlayStation in the biggest gaming market. Don’t be surprised with easily available series s and switch stock if ps5 stays around that 400-500k number it’s been doing all year almost, and Xbox breaks a million in the US. 



 

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kazuyamishima on 17 December 2021

Oh yeah another Doomed and Gloomed PS thread.

I could facts like they are having some production but most importantly, logistic/shipping issues and because the exchange rate they are sending more units to those markets where the exchange rates are better compared to USD and possibly saving some stock for Q4 2021.

But yeah, they are Doomed!!



DonFerrari on 18 December 2021
BasilZero said:

Planning to buy a PS5 possibly end of 2022 or sometime in 2023. I can wait.

will have plenty of great games to play.



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src on 19 December 2021
DroidKnight said:
src said:

Downloads/player numbers are not copies sold, so you're wrong again. Like I said, MS biggest IP Halo, got handily OUTSOLD by TLOU, Spiderman, UC, God of War, even Horizon. There's no coming back from that.

PS5 is selling 2x Xbox so you're wrong for the third time.

And a final laugh, PS5 is expected 23M next FY, making it the best selling year in Playstation history in only its 2nd full year.

PS5 is quite a bit shy of 2x's Xbox sales, unless you are just referring to one region?

With the shortage of goods, where are 23 million PS5's suppose to come from?  What is expected and what is possible is 2 different things.

https://www.ampereanalysis.com/insight/console-sales-q3-2021-ps5-supply-improves-bringing-it-closer-to-switch

The chip shipment this FY was estimated as 16M PS5 and 8M XS. Xbox are definitely still getting outsold 2:1. In the UK, Xbox's second strongest market the estimate is 60:40, even more than what PS4 had over XB1.



src on 19 December 2021

I mean I would wait for Sony to say such things.
And no, the 23M FY has been there for more than a year and considering how they are hitting all their FY targets, chip production is procured a year in advance, I'm not going to expect big changes at all unless explicitly said to shareholders.



src on 20 December 2021
shikamaru317 said:
src said:

I mean I would wait for Sony to say such things.
And no, the 23M FY has been there for more than a year and considering how they are hitting all their FY targets, chip production is procured a year in advance, I'm not going to expect big changes at all unless explicitly said to shareholders.

Assuming VGC's roughly 16m sales for PS5 as of Dec 4th is accurate, Sony will need to sell like 6m consoles in less than 4 months to hit 22m sales and 23m shipped for the financial year. It's not impossible that they hit 23m, but considering the size of their recent weekly shipments for late November, it is looking increasingly unlikely that 23m will be reached by the end of March. We'll have to wait and see.

One thing is for sure, Microsoft seems to be able to produce alot more Series S than Sony can produce PS5, Series S sales are huge this Holiday, Series S has been in stock on Amazon US for about a week straight now, and it has even passed Switch OLED on the Amazon US bestsellers chart. If Series S can move this many units at $300 without a bundled game, imagine what Series S could move next Holiday at $250, or better yet $250 with Starfield or a few months of gamepass bundled? $200 on Holiday discounts will probably be reached on Series S by the time that games like Fable, Hellblade 2, Perfect Dark, Avowed, and id's next game (Quake?) start releasing in 2023 and 2024. Think about a $200 Series S late this gen bundled with Elder Scrolls 6, the kind of numbers that could move during Holiday 2025 or 2026?

You've misunderstood.

16M for this FY (ends Mar 2022)

23M for next FY (ends Mar 2023)

Fable, Hellblade, PD, Avowed will all be outsold by a single Spiderman game or God of War. They simply aren't big IPs atm.



DroidKnight on 20 December 2021
src said:

You've misunderstood.

16M for this FY (ends Mar 2022)

23M for next FY (ends Mar 2023)

Fable, Hellblade, PD, Avowed will all be outsold by a single Spiderman game or God of War. They simply aren't big IPs atm.

Where do you have the PS5 hardware sales at so far for the 2021 fiscal year? (~8.3million?) so 7.7 by March 31st to reach 16 million?

Where do you have the 2020 fiscal year sales at? Launch through March 31st 2021.

I suck at this, just trying to get some clarification.

And then you are saying 23 million shipped for April 1st 2022 through March 31st 2023?

edited my dates

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SvennoJ on 20 December 2021

I just witnessed a ps5 getting sold! Or rather changing hands. In store pick up in a big brown box from behind the counter. It's like buying porn back in the day lol.