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DonFerrari on 24 October 2021
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Because gamers pay them with digital money, and Ninty shareholders and execs don't like it, they like to swim in real money like Scrooge McDuck!

But Switch prints bitcoins.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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PotentHerbs on 24 October 2021

Does Nintendo provide the physical/digital sales split in their financial reports?



Kakadu18 on 24 October 2021
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My take: The NPD has never really been fair to Nintendo, so they choose not to share data with them. A lot of NPD's customers seem to be Western 3rd party companies that do not like getting upstaged in the sales charts by Nintendo. So you can see how NPD massages the data by doing things like combining all SKUs when reporting where a particular game ranks (i.e. combining all platforms). At the same time they don't combine Pokemon SKUs like Sword and Shield. They do things like this to make Western third party games seem more successful than they really are, especially compared to NIntendo games.

NPD aren't the only ones that don't get digital data though. Nobody does.



mjk45 on 24 October 2021
RolStoppable said:
Majora said:

Thanks for all the replies everyone! It seems sad they don’t include digital for things like NPD because we don’t get the true reflection of where a game charts (I know it shouldn’t matter as long as I enjoy it but I’m a geek for this kinda thing and I love seeing my favs do well haha).

NPD charts aren't a true reflection of software sales to begin with, because they rank games based on revenue instead of units sold.

I know it's different but from a representative standpoint, it reminds me of how having a number one record doesn't truly represent how popular a song was, like when you have a number one that sold 50k the week it reached 1 only to find out that the number 10 record a month later outsold it.

I vaguely remember reading about someone talking about the Beatles mentioning having a number 5 hit and laughing that 1-4 above it were all Beatles songs that took turns being number one, but the sales from that hit just during it's peak at no 5 sold double what that years biggest non Beatles number 1 sold during it's entire chart run.



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The_Liquid_Laser on 24 October 2021
Kakadu18 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

My take: The NPD has never really been fair to Nintendo, so they choose not to share data with them. A lot of NPD's customers seem to be Western 3rd party companies that do not like getting upstaged in the sales charts by Nintendo. So you can see how NPD massages the data by doing things like combining all SKUs when reporting where a particular game ranks (i.e. combining all platforms). At the same time they don't combine Pokemon SKUs like Sword and Shield. They do things like this to make Western third party games seem more successful than they really are, especially compared to NIntendo games.

NPD aren't the only ones that don't get digital data though. Nobody does.

Famitsu doesn't include digital sales on anything.  That makes its report consistent.  The problem I have with NPD is the inconsistency of their software rankings.



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Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
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DonFerrari on 25 October 2021
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Kakadu18 said:

NPD aren't the only ones that don't get digital data though. Nobody does.

Famitsu doesn't include digital sales on anything.  That makes its report consistent.  The problem I have with NPD is the inconsistency of their software rankings.

Possibly because some companies reveal their digital sales and others don't so they can only release what they have received of digital sales. So is they being unfair to Nintendo or Nintendo isn't telling them the data that other companies tell?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The_Liquid_Laser on 25 October 2021
DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Famitsu doesn't include digital sales on anything.  That makes its report consistent.  The problem I have with NPD is the inconsistency of their software rankings.

Possibly because some companies reveal their digital sales and others don't so they can only release what they have received of digital sales. So is they being unfair to Nintendo or Nintendo isn't telling them the data that other companies tell?

It's not about being fair.  It's about actually reporting consistently, which the NPD does not do.



curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
My Bet With curl-6

My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox

DonFerrari on 25 October 2021
The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:

Possibly because some companies reveal their digital sales and others don't so they can only release what they have received of digital sales. So is they being unfair to Nintendo or Nintendo isn't telling them the data that other companies tell?

It's not about being fair.  It's about actually reporting consistently, which the NPD does not do.

They are consistent on reporting the numbers they have. And was you or someone else here that was saying they aren't fair to nintendo.

Yes it was you in this very thread. Seems like you aren't being consistent yourself.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328867



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The_Liquid_Laser on 25 October 2021
DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's not about being fair.  It's about actually reporting consistently, which the NPD does not do.

They are consistent on reporting the numbers they have. And was you or someone else here that was saying they aren't fair to nintendo.

Yes it was you in this very thread. Seems like you aren't being consistent yourself.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328867

Go to the actual post you were responding to.  I was comparing NPD to Famitsu.  Famitsu's reports are consistent.  NPD's are not.  Also Famitsu actually reports numbers for software and hardware.  NPD does not.  NPD's report is basically trash.  It is not useful in any way anymore.  There are no numbers, and their software charts are inconsistent.  If you want to know what an actual good report looks like, then look at Famitsu and not NPD.


However, in response to fairness you said this.
"So is they being unfair to Nintendo or Nintendo isn't telling them the data that other companies tell?"
I don't see this as either/or.  It's both/and.  (And yes, the post you linked to says both in the first sentence.)

Me: "The NPD has never really been fair to Nintendo, so they choose not to share data with them."



curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
My Bet With curl-6

My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox

DonFerrari on 26 October 2021
The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:

They are consistent on reporting the numbers they have. And was you or someone else here that was saying they aren't fair to nintendo.

Yes it was you in this very thread. Seems like you aren't being consistent yourself.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328867

Go to the actual post you were responding to.  I was comparing NPD to Famitsu.  Famitsu's reports are consistent.  NPD's are not.  Also Famitsu actually reports numbers for software and hardware.  NPD does not.  NPD's report is basically trash.  It is not useful in any way anymore.  There are no numbers, and their software charts are inconsistent.  If you want to know what an actual good report looks like, then look at Famitsu and not NPD.


However, in response to fairness you said this.
"So is they being unfair to Nintendo or Nintendo isn't telling them the data that other companies tell?"
I don't see this as either/or.  It's both/and.  (And yes, the post you linked to says both in the first sentence.)

Me: "The NPD has never really been fair to Nintendo, so they choose not to share data with them."

Sure NPD is totally trash and that is why most if not all of the big companies in gaming pay them for their data.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."