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What is better?

Native no matter what 30 81.08%
 
Fiber + Cloud 2 5.41%
 
I don't have Fiber so my ... 5 13.51%
 
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Conina said:

I retried Xbox Cloud gaming a few days ago and was shocked how blurry the 1080p stream still is compared to native 1080p:

I have a 250 Mbit/s connection.

That's Switch AAA port resolution lol



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

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Conina said:

I retried Xbox Cloud gaming a few days ago and was shocked how blurry the 1080p stream still is compared to native 1080p:

I have a 250 Mbit/s connection.

Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for!



Even if the experience was identical to native I wouldn't play cloud versions since I care too much about ownership. Same reason I don't use subscription services.



Norion said:

Even if the experience was identical to native I wouldn't play cloud versions since I care too much about ownership. Same reason I don't use subscription services.

Just to be Devil's advocate, never enjoyed Game of Thrones or Breaking bad? Those come from HBO, one of the oldest subscription services. But at least you can buy those and they appeared elsewhere later.

The problem will be games exclusive to subscription services just as we now have movies and series exclusive to select video subscription services. Shows are not all that time sensitive, a competitive game is. Even a single player game can easily be spoiled (but to be fair, so can tv shows)

I just hope it doesn't lead to waiting for physical releases for years after it has already streamed. I'm waiting for The Expanse S5, which started last December on Amazon Prime and still doesn't have a blu-ray release date. I had to fall back to DVD to get The Orville Season 2...

It will be a shitty future for physical releases when xCloud, PS Now, Amazon, Netflix and other game streaming services become big. So I won't be supporting it, but I do see the appeal. Netflix is just easier to put on than a blu-ray and is built into every tv nowadays. Yet then you put on a 4K HDR blu-ray and fall back in amazement what you've been missing while streaming :/

Oh well, convenience and price have always trumped quality. Streaming is the future unfortunately. I'll enjoy physical releases while I can.



SvennoJ said:
Norion said:

Even if the experience was identical to native I wouldn't play cloud versions since I care too much about ownership. Same reason I don't use subscription services.

Just to be Devil's advocate, never enjoyed Game of Thrones or Breaking bad? Those come from HBO, one of the oldest subscription services. But at least you can buy those and they appeared elsewhere later.

The problem will be games exclusive to subscription services just as we now have movies and series exclusive to select video subscription services. Shows are not all that time sensitive, a competitive game is. Even a single player game can easily be spoiled (but to be fair, so can tv shows)

I just hope it doesn't lead to waiting for physical releases for years after it has already streamed. I'm waiting for The Expanse S5, which started last December on Amazon Prime and still doesn't have a blu-ray release date. I had to fall back to DVD to get The Orville Season 2...

It will be a shitty future for physical releases when xCloud, PS Now, Amazon, Netflix and other game streaming services become big. So I won't be supporting it, but I do see the appeal. Netflix is just easier to put on than a blu-ray and is built into every tv nowadays. Yet then you put on a 4K HDR blu-ray and fall back in amazement what you've been missing while streaming :/

Oh well, convenience and price have always trumped quality. Streaming is the future unfortunately. I'll enjoy physical releases while I can.

I haven't seen those though aside from anime I barely watch tv shows. To be more clear I don't actually buy physical media since having access to something like my Steam library is enough for me though I fully get why someone would wanna not just avoid subscription and cloud stuff but also digital. 

It will really suck when game streaming gets big and more and more games are made exclusive to cloud services. Google has done that a little bit with Stadia and that's already too far.



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I've been burned by Apple and Sony when it comes to digital media.

For Apple, I cannot re-download hundreds of game apps from the app store. For context, I added most old ipod games to our database and was very enthusiastic about the state of mobile gaming at the time. Most games are out of print now, and can't be redownloaded. The VGChartz database serves as a memorial of sorts and some of the only evidence of some games existence.

For Sony, they screwed me by shutting down their music store after I had spent money on it. Understandable, because it was a massive failure, but my song library is lost forever.

So no, I am physical all the way now, baby. Only exception would be Steam because I have more trust in privately owned Valve.

Edit: also I remember onlive and have tried that and PSNow. Not impressed with streaming options, especially if we are talking consistency.



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BS Zelda. Mega Man Wily Wars were exclusive to streaming services on Super Famicom and Mega Drive. Wily Wars has recently been re-released thankfully in physical form for Genesis but nothing else yet. Just a couple of games from the early 90s when steaming games was not mainstream. Now in 2021, I hate to imagine in several years how many services failed or games removed.


Take something like Good and Evil 2. Let's say it does come out and is very good but exclusive to Amazon Luna or Stadia. They own the publishing rights for whatever reason. The service shuts down and all access is lost. I can see this becoming more and more common if cloud is allowed to continue like this. It should be an alt with no exclusives.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

I love cloud but it's factual that cloud gaming will never have the same specs of top notch local dedicated hardware

As I don't mind much for high end quality stuff I'm ok with playing with cloud, if the latency is good enough to provide a fulfilling experience



Captain_Yuri said:

As a personal rule, I would never buy games that are only available on the cloud. The reason? If the servers go down, you lose everything. Not only do you lose the game and but the saves, the progress, etc. Where as on a local game, it doesn't matter if the servers die or anything like that, you can keep playing the game and not lose any progress.

Imo, no one should be buying any games that are cloud exclusive including the cloud versions on the Switch. You don't know when SE will one day decide to pull the plug and then what? You lost your game and progress. It's the ultimate form of not owning the product that you paid for but instead, you just get the privilege of accessing it until the Company feels like pulling the plug.

The best way to use cloud is with a Hybrid setup such as with Steam + GeForce Now. You buy the game and it will be on Steam and then you get an Option to use GeForce Now as a cloud streaming service. So if one day Nvidia decides to kill it's GeForce now service, you still have all your progress and the game itself as a part of your steam library.

You would have the same issue locally if the power goes out.



Azzanation said:
Captain_Yuri said:

As a personal rule, I would never buy games that are only available on the cloud. The reason? If the servers go down, you lose everything. Not only do you lose the game and but the saves, the progress, etc. Where as on a local game, it doesn't matter if the servers die or anything like that, you can keep playing the game and not lose any progress.

Imo, no one should be buying any games that are cloud exclusive including the cloud versions on the Switch. You don't know when SE will one day decide to pull the plug and then what? You lost your game and progress. It's the ultimate form of not owning the product that you paid for but instead, you just get the privilege of accessing it until the Company feels like pulling the plug.

The best way to use cloud is with a Hybrid setup such as with Steam + GeForce Now. You buy the game and it will be on Steam and then you get an Option to use GeForce Now as a cloud streaming service. So if one day Nvidia decides to kill it's GeForce now service, you still have all your progress and the game itself as a part of your steam library.

You would have the same issue locally if the power goes out.

That's a weird response... Cause when the power comes back... You can continue playing if it happens locally...

Compare that to when the cloud provider shutsdown their servers for good... You won't be able to play your game ever again.



             

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