Jaicee said:
Since the VGC staff have decided to weigh in in an official capacity with a pair of articles posted last night and this morning to main page, I thought it worth briefly speaking to their essence here (where I can't get down-voted). These two articles are:
Indies Criticize PlayStation Over Charges, Policies, and More
Housemarquee Wants to Develop Bigger and More Ambitious Games Since It Is Now Part of PlayStation
I'm sure the decision to post these two articles back-to-back immediately following on the conclusion of this discussion here was just a coincidence and that the first article wasn't intended as a swipe at me, especially considering that, unlike the other one, you'll notice how the first of those two links cites no accompanying article as its source, and was thus implicitly crafted by the VGC staff themselves (i.e. you might say a passion project) by rounding up random posts on social media that fit their preferred narrative. The second, "balancing" one, posted to assure the perception of official neutrality, by contrast, is a lazy, standard-issue copy/paste of an external news article from more credible sources like most stuff posted to the main page seems to be. Would either of these be there had this discussion thread never been posted? No. Probably not. Therefore, before posting my own opinions on the contents of these two articles, I think it may be worth pointing out that these developments do reflect on ongoing, transparent brand bias VGC clearly possesses against Sony in particular for whatever reason.
The bias I reference is clearly reflected in most first-party game reviews we have seen on VGC wherein the scoring of games published by Nintendo closely resembles said game's average score on Metacritic while most games published by Sony are scored significantly below their MC averages on a regular basis anymore (examples from recent years that immediately come to mind have included Death Stranding, The Last of Us Part II, Ghost of Tsushima, Astro's Playroom, and Returnal, although the occasional glowing review is posted to establish plausible deniability of this larger picture). Whatever you think of Jim Ryan, it's no excuse to diminish these games systematically. Whether Jim Ryan was involved in any of these projects or not, it seems that there is one institution that, in the eyes of the staff here, can do nothing right.
Now that I have reviewed the motives behind these developments (because they're transparent and annoying), which is that I have said something good about Sony at some point here and must therefore be discredited in an official capacity, let's get to the substance:
I agree.
That is to say that I agree with the crux of both linked articles. On the one hand, Sony has clearly crafted the PlayStation 5 to appeal to "hardcore gamers", as they have said all along, their institutional definition of which doesn't seem to per se include those of us who tend to love newer and smaller developers more than entrenched powerhouses with established AAA-scale budgets for every one of their games. Their previous platform having been nicknamed "the IndieStation", this seems as a new attitude toward smaller developers that has developed in response to the Switch taking most of that market away from them, which they had previously dominated. Now that the Switch dominates the indie games market, those of us who loves those games are "casual" gamers, apparently. Or at least not worth the effort anyway.
Anyway, on the other hand, that's (obviously) not what I like about today's Sony. My motives for buying PlayStation 5 were (perhaps ironically) similar to people's traditional motives for buying Nintendo systems: the first-party library, which I still feel that, overall, is second-to-none when it comes to offerings on the AAA landscape and that it's in no small part because of their willingness to take risks supporting games like Returnal and Death Stranding and yes TLOU2 and so on. Maybe that reflects a certain bias on my part in favor of material that's relatively thematically adult, which might explain why I find these sorts of projects more compelling than Arms or Ring Fit Adventure or Splatoon (which I think is a fair argument that some have made here on this thread and an overall personal bias reflected in the fact that Metroid is by far my favorite Nintendo franchise), but nonetheless I feel that there is more legitimate risk involved when you take those risks with the core gaming market of grown adults who play games for our own purposes more than for social purposes rather than with the family "expansion market", if you will, that you don't even need to succeed. But maybe that's just me.
There. I have said it.
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This is the same issue as I mentioned with this thread in general.
You are starting with noticing some phenomena. Then, you are skipping straight to the end where you assert that your proposed explanation is in fact the explanation. Without doing stuff like looking to see if your opinion can be verified or backed up with some kind of evidence or logical argument.
You made a specific claim about first party reviews (that Nintendo's are closer to the MC average than Sony's) so lets see if that checks out.
Last 10 First Party/Exclusive Nintendo Games
Hyrule Warriors AOC- Metacritic Score 77 VGC Score 50. -27 points below MC.
Monster Hunter Rise- Metacritic Score 88 VGC Score 7. -18 points below MC.
Bravely Default II- Metacritic Score 76 VGC Score 7.5. -1 below MC.
Super Mario 3D All-Stars- Metacritic Score 82 VGC Score 7. -12 below MC.
Paper Mario Oragami King- Metacritic 80 VGC Score 8. Even with MC.
Pokemon Sword and Shield- Metacritic 80 VGC Score 7. -10 below MC.
Luigi's Mansion 3- Metacritic 86 VGC Score 6. -26 below MC.
Mario and Sonic- Metacritic 69 VGC Score 7. -1 below MC.
Link's Awakening Metacritic 87 VGC Score 80. -7 below MC.
AC New Horizons- Metacritic 90 VGC Score 80. -10 below MC.
Last 10 Sony First Party Games
Returnal- Metacritic 86 VGC Score 6.5. -21 points below MC.
Sackboy's Big Adventure- Metacritic 79 VGC Score 7. -9 below MC.
Miles Morales- Metacritic 85 VGC Score 7.5. -10 below MC.
Ghost of Tsushima- Metacritic Score 83 VGC Score 5. -33 below MC.
Iron Man VR- Metacritic 73 VGC Score 7 -3 below MC.
TLOU 2- Metacritic 93 VGC Score 7. -23 below MC.
Persona 5 Royal- Metacritic 93 VGC 9. -3 below MC.
Spider-man PS4- Metacritic 87 VGC 8. -7 below MC
Detroit: Become Human- Metacritic 78 VGC 8. 2 above MC.
God of War- Metacritic 94 VGC 9. -4 below MC.
Alright. So, based on the last ten reviews of each system's most recent reviewed exclusives, here are some conclusions that can be drawn.
First off, they don't review that many exclusives. We had to dig pretty far for both systems, a little farther for the PS4 which may be explained either by bias, what Sony chooses to send out for review, or an overall higher first party output from Nintendo. But, based on the small number of games in the sample, the data can be skewed by a couple of outliers.
On average Nintendo games have been scored 11.2 points lower than the MC average. So, certainly no pro Nintendo bias... Unless the staff is so crafty that the intentionally gave Nintendo games lower scores, but then gave Sony EVEN LOWER scores than that, to really throw people off their trail. 6 Nintendo games scored within 10 points of the MC average. Of the remaining 4, two were between 10 and 20 points lower, and two games were more than 20 lower.
On average Sony games have been scored 11.1 points lower than the MC average. Pretty damn close to the difference in Nintendo games and MC, except very slightly closer to the Metacritic average. Seven out of 10 games scored within 10 points of the MC average (one scoring above the MC average). Of the remaining three, two were more than 20 points off from the MC average, and one was more than 30 off from the average.
Honestly, this came out so close that maybe I'll be accused of being part of the pro-Sony conspiracy going on backstage, but there you have it. Feel free to double check my work, but I doubt I made an error large enough to fundamentally change the facts. Those facts are that on average VGChartz tends to score both Nintendo and Sony games below the industry average. I think this reflects overall problems with VGC's scoring system, but if you think this is a particular bias against Nintendo and Sony, then feel free to see how Microsoft and third parties compare in this regard.
As far as your claim that there is an overall bias against Sony that is evidenced by the review scores, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that (unless you have some compelling data). It seems there is some heavy confirmation bias where the occasions where data that fits your theory (TLOU scoring 23 points below the MC average or Animal Crossing scoring in line with the average) is included, but data that goes against it (Hyrule Warriors scoring 27 points below the industry average, or Sackboy scoring in line with industry average) is dismissed or reframed as part of the conspiracy (positive Sony reviews are only made to maintain plausible deniability). In reality though, Sony games are scored almost identically in reference to Metacritic as are Nintendo games.
So before making claims, particularly ones that attack people's integrity, you should probably pause and check to see if there is actually any evidence to support your hunches.
Pre Edit Edit: Made some slight errors with Sony's games. Astro Playroom should have been included as should FFVII Remake since I'm going with exclusives here, and not necessarily games published by the first party directly (feel free to see how the numbers would work out if you only counted published titles). This would knock Detroit and God of War from the list. FFVII scored three points above the MC average, and Astro scored 13 points below. With this change, the ten most recent Sony games would be 11.9 points below the MC average, almost exactly the same as Nintendo.
Either there is some really high level conspiracy going on among the writing staff; i.e. lets score most of Sony's releases close to the industry average so we can score the big releases REALLY poorly and if anyone ever tries to average them together they won't be any wiser BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!... or, it could also mean that there isn't any systematic bias against Sony, which is the theory I think makes more sense.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 05 July 2021