What?

No it wouldn't have sold better because like I just said, the 2 other reasons it didn't sell well was because of bad price and bad business practices.

Making first party titles is a good thing, they did it for 2 years then stopped. They stopped because it wasn't selling well apparently, and it wasn't selling well because of bad price and bad business practices. Having bad support only gave people another reason not to buy.

I've literally just repeated myself.

I repeat too:

$250 vita is just a bait and switch, the true price for vita is definitely $300 or more. At least with Sony's original strategy, people would believe vita only cost $250 at lauch, that's why they even got a vita, and Sony could get a bit of profit. Pricing the proprietary cards so cheaply wouldn't help, the software situation for vita could still remain the same, hence the hardware sales wouldn't be much better, and yet Sony had to take a loss with every vita sold.

The design for the PS Vita is fundamentally bad business practice. Requiring the expensive proprietary cards should never have been a thing, it would've been possible to produce a vita that wasn't as overdesigned, they went with a no compromises approach, that's what screwed them, if they had made compromises on the hardware, the price would've been more attractive. A better memory management system being more consumer friendly etc all could've made more people buy it and then buy more games.

Do you believe the Vita failed simply because it existed? I'm not too sure where you stand with that?

No, if anthing, vita hardware design is very good, except the lack of R2/L2.

It failed mostly because it's software, without big 3rd party games, Sony 1st party games alone are never system seller like Nintendo 1st party games. Without 3rd party, only Nintendo can survive, the other twos can't.

I mean... is anyone going to seriously argue a handheld that sold bad because of bad support and bad business practices and bad price is better than a home console that didn't sell well simply because it was a new band and took a while to catch on?

I never said the design was bad, I effectively said the design was too good. Compromises should've been made on features they wanted to have and it would've been a more attractive price.

Wait wait hold up. I said the vita had bad support, you responded with that it had 1300 games (a completely irrelevant fact to quality). And now you're saying it didn't have enough support? This has been such a waste of time..

Vita has 1300 games though.

Wait, you said vita lacked sony support, i responded that sony supported it well until summer 2014, then they dropped it due to terrible sale of both software and hardware. Vita didn't lack support, it's just that Sony game can't move the hardware like Nintendo games.

The above is literally what I said. You targeted the support part and said it had 1300 games. Which again, is a silly reply.

Bad support is all encompassing. I called out Sony  first party after clarifying because they releasing some games for 2 years isn't good enough. The hardware situation wasn't good enough, the business practices involved wasn't good enough.

The above is literally what I said. You targeted the support part and said it had 1300 games. Which again, is a silly reply.

Bad support is all encompassing. I called out Sony  first party after clarifying because they releasing some games for 2 years isn't good enough. The hardware situation wasn't good enough, the business practices involved wasn't good enough.

Late 2011 - Mid 2014 is more than 2 years. During that time, all Sony games underperformed, ports/new games/original IP, vita sales is low too, can't blame them when they decided to stop. If those 1st party games were from Nintendo, vita could have been saved. The difference in power of 1st party games from Nin and Sony are night and day.

Late 2011 - Mid 2014 is more than 2 years. During that time, all Sony games underperformed, ports/new games/original IP, vita sales is low too, can't blame them when they decided to stop. If those 1st party games were from Nintendo, vita could have been saved. The difference in power of 1st party games from Nin and Sony are night and day.

Are you talking about now, or back then?

I mean we can get pedantic but sure, 2 and a half years.. (lol)

And as already said sales were low cause hardware sales were low because of a situation they put themselves in by having it at a high price and overprice proprietary memory solution.

Also no, if there was a playstation portable with a dedicated spiderman, ratchet and clank, god of war gran turismo, naughty dog game(at least we got that), bloodborne-ish game, infamous game etc etc. With a competitive price and consumer friendly storage solutions. And it still failed you'd have a point. But that didn't happen