"The most concrete info we have on what PSVR 2 could be capable of comes from JDI’s announcement of its 3.2-inch display with 1,001ppi and 2160 x 2432 resolution.

JDI claims that this display will reduce latency to 2.2msec (compared to >18msec today), allow for 120Hz (same as the PSVR 1), and demand less processing power to achieve better image quality—potentially unlocking a lighter, smaller design for the headset."

https://www.techradar.com/news/playstation-vr-2-release-date-price-news-and-rumors


The last one had a single 5.7" 1080p screen, 960x1080 per eye. The question is will PSVR2 use a split screen design again or go for one screen per eye, 2432x2160 per eye or 1216x2160 per eye. Both a big upgrade, however no more OLED (JDI is a LCD manufacturer)


PSVR 2 is also said to have 220 degree fov instead of 110. Which kinda requires the dual screen setup or otherwise there would hardly be any perceived increase in resolution while doubling the fov. But as with PSVR the perceived density will be much higher in the middle than on the edges due to the lens, and also since your own eyes only perceive a tenth of the resolution they do in the center.



Btw Peripheral vision isn't just for better immersion and awareness, it's hard wired into out brain to alert us to movement in our peripheral vision to draw your attention to potential threats. That's a huge difference compared to pancake games and is what makes Rush of Blood's enemy placement playable in VR. On a screen you need all kinds of tricks to grab the players attention including those directional flashes at the edge of the screen. Rail shooters in VR can literally open up the 'tunnel' and have threats popping up on all sides. Plus you can also shoot in independent directions with 2 motion controllers.

GTS currently relies on 'radar' to show the position of cars beside you. In VR you don't need that extra screen since your peripheral vision keeps you updated to movement on things beside / near you. Actually peripheral vision already works on the screen as well with the big rear view mirror. Any suspicious movement there draws you attention to it to avoid 'missiles' from behind. (No clue how people can survive without the rear view mirror in other modes) In VR you have that for all around you, 100 degree alertness to either side, plus the rear view mirror for what comes up from behind. The current radar is a necessary patch job, but it has its limitations. It doesn't show you what's out of range of the radar and you have to take your eyes off the road to look at it. I've gone through many corners just looking at the radar, top down view racing, as the front view isn't good enough to drive side by side in traffic through a corner. It works, but might as well ditch the graphics and steer little arrows around a map :)

Yes, I agree.  That is the fundamental problem faced by VR, and (I think) the biggest hurdle remaining.  

I've used every major tethered VR headset excluding the Index.  I own PSVR and I owned Gear VR.  IMO, Gear VR was the overall best experience because of the relatively higher level of immersion possible without a cable.  There are much better looking games on the tethered headsets. Many of the games are much better in many other ways as well.  But, you simply cannot forget about the cable(s) in most games.  You must pay attention to them, otherwise you'll get wrapped up.  So, either you're consciously thinking about cables, or you're ignoring them for a minute until you get wrapped up and have to stop playing to untangle. Either way is extremely immersion breaking.  

I have not used in Oculus Quest, nor have I used the wireless accessory for Vive.  I hear very good things about the latest Quest.  My buddy, who has been messing around with VR since the early days of Rift DK2 (that's when I first was exposed as well), and is much more of a VR enthusiast than I am, speaks highly of it.  So, I think I may take the plunge this year. 

I haven't been doing much with VR lately, because I kind of lost interest after a couple of years when I finally accepted the reality that the necessary levels of immersion just weren't really possible yet in high rez, cutting edge games.  

Yeah, I didn't understand the logic of their scenario. Besides what you mention, none of that "increases the install base" if it's just serving people who already own PSVR1 with PS4/PS5. I don't know if they were unaware that PS4 VR games can run on PS5, but it doesn't make sense to produce PS5 only games designed for PSVR1 which is vastly smaller than combined PS4/Pro/PS5 PSVR market, and any new VR games entering production can make the biggest splash if they target PSVR2 for PS5.

I think most people with PS5 and PSVR1 at the moment are aware that they can play their old PS4 games.  From what I understand, developers can't really use the enhanced features of PS5 for these games (the PSVR locks the system in bc mode or something similar - I haven't found any examples of "here's what PS5 can do for PSVR").

Should new PS5 VR games support old headsets?  That must be up to the developers, in my opinion.  Building a PS5-only game is already a costly business.  Building a PS5-only, PSVR2-only game may result in a lot of developers baulking.

To me it feels like a mistake for there not to be a couple of PS5 VR titles at launch for the old headset, even if they were just small demos.  It makes it look like Sony "forgot" about their VR product.

What games are you playing that you have to stop to untangle the cable?

I'm only aware of the cable while playing Beat Saber and there I hang it over my shoulder down my back to avoid stepping on it or getting wrapped in it. For sit down games it's never an issue, just the few you walk around a bit. It would be nicer without a cable but you still need a power source. Wearing a battery on your body or on the headset isn't comfortable either. I'm much more aware of the headset than the cable. Lighter and more comfort first.

Two fundamental problems, transmission rates and power. If the battery only lasts a couple hours, I'll still be playing tethered on a charge cable while having the extra bulk and weight of the battery...

Nr 1 improvement for comfort for me would be adjustable lenses so I don't need to wear my glasses inside the headset. I don't with beat saber since I can see all the shapes fine and it's a lot more comfortable. It's blur on top of low res though, far from ideal.

I find myself wrapped up whether sitting or standing. I don't find walking to be the only issue.  Simply spinning around (whether seated or standing) wraps up the user.  Yes, you can generally avoid becoming entangled.  But, you have to think about the cable to avoid it, and that's the problem (for me, at least). 

It's not so much that I really stop to untangle the cable.  It's things like noticing thay the cable is around both legs, or stepping on it and feeling the pull on my headset.  In those circumstances, I'll just turn around time the opposite direction to unwrap, or I'll simply lift up my foot and pull the cable out of the way.  That kind of thing.  Just stuff that reminds me that the cable is there.  That stuff ruins the immersion, IME.  My most recent annoying cord experience has been with Astro.  It's a great game.  Probably my favorite VR game aside from some early Gear VR game I played that I can't recall the name of.  But, I just can't get myself into long play sessions of VR anymore, even with a game that I generally consider excellent.  

And, yes, it would be great to get adjustable lenses so I don't have to wear glasses.  I have used contacts for this purpose several times.  But, I'd prefer not to have to worry about corrective lenses at all.

802.11 AY will be available soon (IEEE revcom voting on final approval this Friday and then official publication of standard usually ~2 months after final approval) which improve the bandwidth per stream from 11 Gbit on 802.11AD (WiGig just another name for 802.11AD standard) to 44Gbit on 802.11AY.  It still not going to have as good latency as a wired connection but at least the theoretical bandwidth is close to HDMI 2.1 levels.

Distance will also be improved to a level that if there line of sight it wont be a issue.  It still not going to be able to go through walls well but as long as there line of sight it should be fine.

On average about a year from publication to product in most cases for IEEE standards (Main home Wifi like 802.11AX,AC etc is an exception to this rule as products usually release when the standard still in draft form.  802.11AX routers been available for over a year and it only got revcom approval in February of this year and not even publish yet but expected to be in April).

So it not that unreasonable to believe that in second half of 2022 we start seeing VR headset that actually a decent experience connecting to a computer/console wirelessly.

What Sony can do is put the final reproject stage on the headset. PSVR generally renders in 60 fps, then reprojects each frame twice (shifts it slightly to align with latest head movement) to get low latency 120 fps. That part can be done on the headset, then you only need to send 60fps through the air and the headset can provide latency free 120 fps (at least latency free matching head movements)

Maybe PSVR 2.0 pro could be a wireless version, although it would mean another breakout box. (Unless a ps5 pro with 802.11 launches alongside, options). The annoying part is the battery, where to put it, how long can you use it, how much weight does it add etc. Maybe one on each side you can swap out with two that are charging.

Cable for now, cheaper, lighter, smaller, lower latency. Tie a whack of helium balloons to the cable so you can't step on it :D

Yeah agreed very unlikely PSVR 2 will not be wired.  The only question is could they make a wireless addon with it.  It would be tricky through on a PS5 since having it plugged into a 10Gbps usb port would not be enough bandwidth.  The only way I can think of doing it is having a 802.11AY dongle with HDMI 2.1 in and out and the dongle be capable of hdmi 2.1 passthrough when not in use.  

A PS5 pro with it built in would defiantly Simplify it.

EDIT:  actually now that I think about it I don't know why I thought that would be hard to do, I mean that how the PSVR is being wired to the console anyway so defiantly possible to make a 802.11AY add on if they was so inclined.

Yes, I know a few people in my family who had trouble with this. I had trouble with headphones as they won't fit over the VR headset and my ears are shaped funny and won't hold regular earphones. 

I didn't pay any stand up games, but I remember kids trying out the deep sea dive demo and wanting to stand up and look around and me thinking omg the cables, watch the cables.