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trunkswd said:
curl-6 said:

If Xbox Series can sustainably sell 30% above Xbone, that'd be something at least. I want Xbox to be more competitive this gen cos in my experience less competition means gaming suffers. PS4 steamrolling Xbone and Wii U led to a pretty dull several years. The 7th and 4th gens were the best in my opinion because they were the most competitive.

Microsoft does have far more first-party than they did during the Xbox One days. 23 studios once the Bethesda deal closes it a lot more than the 5 they had just a few years ago. Obviously, once other difference is Microsoft releases all their games on PC now, and you can even play them on your phone with xCloud.

I'm still not convinced they'll keep Bethesda's games off Playstation, I expected timed rather than total exclusivity. As such Bethesda's studio won't carry as much weight as first parties normally would. But we'll see.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

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trunkswd said:
SKMBlake said:

Nope, they have more studios, but first-party wise it's still on par with the Xbox One so far.

It does take time to develop games and COVID has clearly slowed down the development of games across the board. I agree right now it isn't better than the Xbox One, but we do have backwards compatibility at least. 2022 or 2023 we should start seeing a decent increase in first-party output. 

Are gamers supposed to buy an xbox now to maybe play the games 1 to 2 years from now? Or how is it gona look if at the pace we are going with the exclusive content over the last few years, that when xbox gets its first couple of great new games playstation would have a backlog of like 10 AAA games? first party or third party deal. Not to mention that the same backwards compatibly also works in sonys favor as they have a lot of great ps4 games that are still challenging some 9th gen games.

Edit: Looks like I forgot my point by the end. But What Im trying to say is that just cuz MS is might release its new games aftet the competition, it dosent mean that that competition will start at zero. The lead in sales and great games sony made will not be erased just because MS started to be competitive. 

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SKMBlake said:
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Xbox Series X|S vs Xbox One Launch Sales Comparison Through Week 14

This weekly mini-series compares the aligned launch sales of the Xbox Series X|S with its predecessor, the Xbox One. 

The first week for the Xbox Series X|S is the week ending November 14, 2020, while for the Xbox One it is the week ending November 23, 2013.

The Xbox Series X|S had a worldwide launch on November 10, 2020, while the Xbox One had a staggered launch. The Xbox One launched in North America, parts of Europe, Australia, and South America on November 22, 2013, and in Japan, China, and other European countries in September 2014. 

Xbox Series X|S Vs. Xbox One Worldwide:

Gap change in latest week: 48,577 - XSX|S

Gap change over last month: 158,581 - XSX|S

Total Lead: 111,492 - XSX|S

Xbox Series X|S Total Sales: 3,641,105

Xbox One Total Sales: 3,529,613

During week 14, the Xbox Series X|S closed the gap when compared to the aligned launch of the Xbox One by 48,577 units and by 158,581 units in the last month. The Xbox Series X|S lead has grown to 111,492 units.

The Xbox Series X|S has sold 3.64 million units in 14 weeks, while the Xbox One has sold 3.53 million units. Week 14 for the Xbox Series X|S is the week ending February 13, 2021 and it is the week ending February 22, 2014 for the Xbox One.

The Xbox One sold 62,332 units in its 15th week to bring its lifetime sales to 3.59 units. The Xbox Series X|S is already ahead of the sales of the Xbox One after 15 weeks and is just 18,301 units away from week 16.

The Xbox One crossed four million units sold in week 20, and five million units sold in week 37. 

The Xbox Series X|S was the best-selling console in the UK in January and it has outsold the PS5 in South Africa.

Thanks to the power of the Game Pass and launching a way cheaper model, now the Series are slightly ahead

Plus they are getting a lot of revenue from PC gamers and PC Gamepass subscribers.



What I REALLY wish we could compare is PS5 users vs. Xbox Series S + Series X + PC Windows/Gamepass users. That would paint the actual accurate picture between who is paying Microsoft to game vs. who is paying Sony to game. Sony doesn't divide its userbase amongst console and PC gamers, whereas Microsoft does, and yet we are only comparing console sales. I know this is basically impossible lol but still it frustrates me we can't know the ACTUAL comparisons.

If Xbox Series S/X were literally the ONLY way to play MS studio games, I'm 100% certain Xbox console sales would be higher than they are and will be in the future. However, I think the route they are going will lead to more growth in the industry (having the option to be a PC gamer, more choice = more consumers) and more profitability. Great business decision on their end, but sadly people will only compare console vs. console sales and completely ignore all the money they are getting from their PC gamer base.



Dulfite said:

What I REALLY wish we could compare is PS5 users vs. Xbox Series S + Series X + PC Windows/Gamepass users. That would paint the actual accurate picture between who is paying Microsoft to game vs. who is paying Sony to game. Sony doesn't divide its userbase amongst console and PC gamers, whereas Microsoft does, and yet we are only comparing console sales. I know this is basically impossible lol but still it frustrates me we can't know the ACTUAL comparisons.

If Xbox Series S/X were literally the ONLY way to play MS studio games, I'm 100% certain Xbox console sales would be higher than they are and will be in the future. However, I think the route they are going will lead to more growth in the industry (having the option to be a PC gamer, more choice = more consumers) and more profitability. Great business decision on their end, but sadly people will only compare console vs. console sales and completely ignore all the money they are getting from their PC gamer base.

Bold: I don't think 100% of people people who are PC gamers would stop playing on PC to get a Xbox

 They are getting Game Pass because it's cheap. Personally if I was a PC gamer I would still have GP and I have zero interest in Xbox and Microsoft games 



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Dulfite said:

What I REALLY wish we could compare is PS5 users vs. Xbox Series S + Series X + PC Windows/Gamepass users. That would paint the actual accurate picture between who is paying Microsoft to game vs. who is paying Sony to game. Sony doesn't divide its userbase amongst console and PC gamers, whereas Microsoft does, and yet we are only comparing console sales. I know this is basically impossible lol but still it frustrates me we can't know the ACTUAL comparisons.

If Xbox Series S/X were literally the ONLY way to play MS studio games, I'm 100% certain Xbox console sales would be higher than they are and will be in the future. However, I think the route they are going will lead to more growth in the industry (having the option to be a PC gamer, more choice = more consumers) and more profitability. Great business decision on their end, but sadly people will only compare console vs. console sales and completely ignore all the money they are getting from their PC gamer base.

Bold: I don't think 100% of people people who are PC gamers would stop playing on PC to get a Xbox

 They are getting Game Pass because it's cheap. Personally if I was a PC gamer I would still have GP and I have zero interest in Xbox and Microsoft games 

I didn't say 100% of people would, but I do believe the majority of the gaming population do not have BOTH a gaming console AND a gaming pc. Do most people have a pc? Sure, but most PCs can't play the modern games coming out on consoles well, let alone at all. Microsoft has millions, perhaps tens of millions (especially in the future with the growth), more users that either buy their game exclusively on Windows store OR subscribe to Gamepass PC. Most can't afford a gaming PC and a console.



Dulfite said:

What I REALLY wish we could compare is PS5 users vs. Xbox Series S + Series X + PC Windows/Gamepass users. That would paint the actual accurate picture between who is paying Microsoft to game vs. who is paying Sony to game. Sony doesn't divide its userbase amongst console and PC gamers, whereas Microsoft does, and yet we are only comparing console sales. I know this is basically impossible lol but still it frustrates me we can't know the ACTUAL comparisons.

If Xbox Series S/X were literally the ONLY way to play MS studio games, I'm 100% certain Xbox console sales would be higher than they are and will be in the future. However, I think the route they are going will lead to more growth in the industry (having the option to be a PC gamer, more choice = more consumers) and more profitability. Great business decision on their end, but sadly people will only compare console vs. console sales and completely ignore all the money they are getting from their PC gamer base.

What did I just read lol

No dude, we're comparing console sales cause that's the most accurate tool we have to see which platform is popular. You can still have a Game Pass subscription and have a PS5 and a Switch but no Xbox. I personally bought a 1$ Game Pass subscription to test xCloud, and have a Switch as my main console and a PS4.



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Dulfite said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Bold: I don't think 100% of people people who are PC gamers would stop playing on PC to get a Xbox

 They are getting Game Pass because it's cheap. Personally if I was a PC gamer I would still have GP and I have zero interest in Xbox and Microsoft games 

I didn't say 100% of people would, but I do believe the majority of the gaming population do not have BOTH a gaming console AND a gaming pc. Do most people have a pc? Sure, but most PCs can't play the modern games coming out on consoles well, let alone at all. Microsoft has millions, perhaps tens of millions (especially in the future with the growth), more users that either buy their game exclusively on Windows store OR subscribe to Gamepass PC. Most can't afford a gaming PC and a console.

The problem is you counting people who got a GP as the same of one who are buying a PS5. They are by no means the same and I doubt majority of PC gamers would go to Xbox if Game Pass doesn't exist, GP seems more like a complementary service for PC gamers not an alternative for Xbox ecosystem 



Dulfite said:

What I REALLY wish we could compare is PS5 users vs. Xbox Series S + Series X + PC Windows/Gamepass users. That would paint the actual accurate picture between who is paying Microsoft to game vs. who is paying Sony to game. Sony doesn't divide its userbase amongst console and PC gamers, whereas Microsoft does, and yet we are only comparing console sales. I know this is basically impossible lol but still it frustrates me we can't know the ACTUAL comparisons.

If Xbox Series S/X were literally the ONLY way to play MS studio games, I'm 100% certain Xbox console sales would be higher than they are and will be in the future. However, I think the route they are going will lead to more growth in the industry (having the option to be a PC gamer, more choice = more consumers) and more profitability. Great business decision on their end, but sadly people will only compare console vs. console sales and completely ignore all the money they are getting from their PC gamer base.

Xbox latest revenue 2020 full year. They claimed 11.58B.

https://freegametips.com/xbox-division-breaks-its-revenue-record-by-closing-fiscal-year-2020/ 

sonys latest 2020 revenue year 22.74B.

https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/mustafa-mahmoud/playstation-set-a-new-industry-record-for-revenue-in-2020/ 

Only problem is that they dont have the same months for the start and end of the fiscal year. I think they are shifted by a few months. But it dosent matter. Both enjoyed the covid boost as in both articles they both claimed that it was their highest and both broke records for the company. While sony was an industry record, previously held by themselves in 2018.

So at face value we see that what they get from any other place is still short of the competition no matter where they put gamepass. Also lets not forget that MS likes to mess with numbers and throw everything unrelated into the gaming category. So that 11.58B might be fluffed up. Also lets not forget this is not operating income. So they way MS has been throwing money around buying companies and who knows how much they actually pay devs to put games on gamepass, I would say that the gap its actually much higher when accounting for pure profits. 

Edit: Forgot nintendo they aparently made 12.11B

https://www.statista.com/statistics/216622/net-sales-of-nintendo-since-2008/ 

Last edited by eva01beserk - on 02 March 2021

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With the semiconductor shortage not looking to have a quick fix, not only PS5/XS but also may remain supply constrained for much of this year.
Seems like a neverending story with the Switch, sometimes it feels like it's spent it's entire life with supply issues.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.