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TonsofPuppies on 15 February 2021
Torillian said:
TonsofPuppies said:

Identity politics leads to cancelling.

Identity politics -> insistence on political correctness -> violations of political correctness -> cancellation

So are we on to the full "get woke go broke" argument that any time a black person or other minority of some sort is "unnecessarily" on screen the company is losing money for the purpose of a political agenda? 

No? You asked me why I mentioned identity politics when we were having a discussion about cancellation and I explained the connection. Was it really that difficult to understand?



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sundin13 on 15 February 2021
TonsofPuppies said:

Identity politics leads to cancelling.

Identity politics -> insistence on political correctness -> violations of political correctness -> cancellation

I like how you gave us a bunch of examples of conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and boycotting/"cancelling" things from Gillette to the NBA to Disney, only to turn around and say "so clearly the woke libs cancelling things are the problem". 



Torillian on 15 February 2021
TonsofPuppies said:
Torillian said:

So are we on to the full "get woke go broke" argument that any time a black person or other minority of some sort is "unnecessarily" on screen the company is losing money for the purpose of a political agenda? 

No? You asked me why I mentioned identity politics when we were having a discussion about cancellation and I explained the connection. Was it really that difficult to understand?

Mk, well then we're back to the examples brought forth that can be explained by an adherence to capitalism. And I even gave you the benefit of the doubt on the NBA viewership being down in comparison to other sports which apparently might not be the case. Do you have any better examples?



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TonsofPuppies on 15 February 2021
sundin13 said:

TonsofPuppies said:

How about the NBA? The NBA (for obvious reasons) hopped on the BLM bandwagon more than any other sports league in North America and their ratings have been in free fall ever since. This is despite the world being in the midst of a global pandemic with many people stuck at home with much more free time than usual. It's quite clear the the social justice initiative undertaken by the NBA and it's prominent stars (like LeBron James) is pushing many people away from their product. Yet, it continues.

Didn't virtually every sport see a decline in viewership over the pandemic? 

Here is a sampling of those horrible numbers via Sports Media Watch:

• The 2020 Stanley Cup Playoffs averaged 953,000 viewers across NBC's TV and digital platforms. That's a 38% decrease compared to last year.

• The final round of golf's U.S. Open averaged a 2.0 rating and 3.21 million viewers for NBC, the lowest rated and least-watched final round of the tournament ever and down 55% from 2019.

• The Preakness on NBC was down 56% in viewership from 2019.

• Even when there's good news, there's bad news. Last Saturday's Tennessee-Georgia game on CBS averaged a 3.1 rating and 5.77 million viewers, making it the highest-rated and most-watched game of the season. However, the rating was still 21% lower than CBS's Week 6 SEC game in 2019. 

It was also the first game of the season to average at least a 3.0 rating. By this date in 2019, 15 college football games averaged at least a 3.0 ratings. 

• Sunday's Game 1 of the ALCS on TBS drew 2.07 million viewers. Monday's Game 2 of the ALCS drew 1.88 million viewers. These are now the two least-watched LCS games ever. The viewership numbers for the two games are down 66% from the first two games of 2019's ALCS.

The NBA's ratings have been in decline for a number of years, not just since the pandemic. I'm not going to make the claim that all of it is because of their social justice initiatives, but certainly it plays a part. As I said before, it's simply illogical to suggest the pushing divisive politics into people's escapist entertainment is going to result in better sales, higher viewership and more public engagement.



TonsofPuppies on 15 February 2021
Torillian said:
TonsofPuppies said:

No? You asked me why I mentioned identity politics when we were having a discussion about cancellation and I explained the connection. Was it really that difficult to understand?

Mk, well then we're back to the examples brought forth that can be explained by an adherence to capitalism. And I even gave you the benefit of the doubt on the NBA viewership being down in comparison to other sports which apparently might not be the case. Do you have any better examples?

What specifically would you like an example of?



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sundin13 on 15 February 2021
TonsofPuppies said:

The NBA's ratings have been in decline for a number of years, not just since the pandemic. I'm not going to make the claim that all of it is because of their social justice initiatives, but certainly it plays a part. As I said before, it's simply illogical to suggest the pushing divisive politics into people's escapist entertainment is going to result in better sales, higher viewership and more public engagement.

Rating are up this year. What does that say about your hypothesis?

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TonsofPuppies on 15 February 2021
sundin13 said:
TonsofPuppies said:

The NBA's ratings have been in decline for a number of years, not just since the pandemic. I'm not going to make the claim that all of it is because of their social justice initiatives, but certainly it plays a part. As I said before, it's simply illogical to suggest the pushing divisive politics into people's escapist entertainment is going to result in better sales, higher viewership and more public engagement.

Rating are up this year. What does that say about your hypothesis?

It's February 15th. lol Give me an update at the end of the year. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a moderate increase in NBA ratings this year. They hit peak "wokeness" last year. I expect that the social justice nonsense will be dialled back somewhat, especially with Joe Biden winning the election. So if less wokeness results in higher ratings, I suspect that confirms my hypothesis is correct, yes?



Chris Hu on 15 February 2021
TonsofPuppies said:
Chris Hu said:

Again stop watching Fox news to much and snap out of your of alternate Universe the only people that think that there are actually far leftist in the USA are far right wingers; those people better never visit Europe either because in their book everyone is far leftist there.  Also the only think that is hilarious is right wingers and extreme right wingers that label everyone that isn't close to following their ideology as far leftist.   

Ah yes. The 'ol "anyone who disagrees with me watches Fox News" argument. Is this the part where I'm supposed to reply "stop watching CNN"? And yes, Europe on the whole is quite heavily left leaning. That isn't a secret to anyone that has been watching the nonsense going on in places like the UK, Germany and Sweden over the past decade. So am I a far right winger for acknowledging the reality that there are far-left people in the United States? If so, can you be so kind as to tell me exactly what my far-right views are? lol

CNN isn't far left unlike Fox it has actual journalist that cover the news, anyway I don't have cable so I don't watch CNN.  Also that Gillett ad you mentioned actually didn't cost them billions it would have helped if you actually read the article that you linked.



TonsofPuppies on 15 February 2021
Chris Hu said:
TonsofPuppies said:

Ah yes. The 'ol "anyone who disagrees with me watches Fox News" argument. Is this the part where I'm supposed to reply "stop watching CNN"? And yes, Europe on the whole is quite heavily left leaning. That isn't a secret to anyone that has been watching the nonsense going on in places like the UK, Germany and Sweden over the past decade. So am I a far right winger for acknowledging the reality that there are far-left people in the United States? If so, can you be so kind as to tell me exactly what my far-right views are? lol

CNN isn't far left unlike Fox it has actual journalist that cover the news, anyway I don't have cable so I don't watch CNN.  Also that Gillett ad you mentioned actually didn't cost them billions it would have helped if you actually read the article that you linked.

HAHAHAHA. That's the funniest shit I've read here all day. Thanks for that. If you don't watch CNN, how did you come to this conclusion, by the way? Lmao

Also, it did cost them a ton of money. Which is why they almost immediately back-pedalled and abandoned their social justice initiative.

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Chris Hu on 15 February 2021
TonsofPuppies said:
Chris Hu said:

CNN isn't far left unlike Fox it has actual journalist that cover the news, anyway I don't have cable so I don't watch CNN.  Also that Gillett ad you mentioned actually didn't cost them billions it would have helped if you actually read the article that you linked.

HAHAHAHA. That's the funniest shit I've read here all day. Thanks for that. If you don't watch CNN, how did you come to this conclusion, by the way? Lmao

Because the last actual journalist working at Fox News Sheppard Smith left in 2019.  Keep on living in your alternate Universe and watch Fox News where everyone that isn't a republican is labeled as a far left winger but in the real world none of the people they try to vilify are even close to being far left wingers.